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[–] [email protected] 90 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I read it as B52 at first and wondered how the building survives

[–] JeeBaiChow 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can take multiple band members and chuck them at a building with little to no effect. The equipment too. It's only when you get to the tour bus that it tends to leave a mark.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What about their Chrysler which is as big as a whale?

[–] WoahWoah 6 points 2 weeks ago

Does it seat about 20?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

No, this is about the Empire State Building. The Chrysler building is completely different.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Holy shit all the people just standing there at the hole in the side of the building…

[–] JeeBaiChow 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This was pre-OSHA. Now I can't even reach up to adjust the fan cage on my own.

[–] toynbee 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Regardless of "can" or "can't," I wouldn't stand on a modern balcony that had passed inspection at that height, let alone a crumbly unsecured hole that has made no promise to maintain its integrity. Even if there were hypothetically no risk, I see no rail or even, like, a cable.

A strong gust of wind or particularly intrusive thought could easily ruin one or more lives there.

[–] JeeBaiChow 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

yes but we're talking about this generation?

We're talking about this generation, right?

[–] surewhynotlem 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are fewer of them than there could have been. Regulations are written in the blood of our citizens.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Every single modern safety regulation is because someone died, or at least was seriously injured, doing exactly what the rule tells you not to do.

[–] Quetzalcutlass 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Knowing a construction worker's usual sense of humor, I'd be afraid of one giving the guy sitting next to them a solid slap on the back as a joke. Especially if they had just expressed a fear of heights.

[–] toynbee 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, and I don't share their sensibilities.

Just this photo makes me want to hide somewhere very close to the ground, maybe even under.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'd like to see the rest of a zoomed out perspective. There is a chance it's above a other floor. And it's really only like 13 feet up

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[–] JustZ 8 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if it was likely this was the most exciting thing these people had ever seen, or close to it?

[–] Anticorp 5 points 2 weeks ago

These pictures where taken back when people knew how to party!

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Betty had a shit fucking day.

Elevator operator Betty Lou Oliver was thrown from her elevator car on the 80th floor and suffered severe burns. First aid workers placed her on another elevator car to transport her to the ground floor, but the cables supporting that elevator had been damaged in the incident, and it fell 75 stories, ending up in the basement.[13] Oliver survived the fall due to the softening cushion of air created by the falling elevator car within this elevator shaft; however, she had suffered a broken pelvis, back and neck when rescuers found her amongst the rubble.[14] This remains the world record for the longest survived elevator fall.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Especially bad when you consider the elevator shouldn't have fallen in the first place.

Elisha Otis invented his automatic elevator brakes in 1853 -- designed to instantly stop cars from falling if the cables snap ... and the Empire State Building used Otis safety elevators.

Given how dead simple and reliable the safety mechanism is something must have gone horrible wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

A bit more on Betty and the incident:

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/news/2023/10/how-an-elevator-attendant-survived-a-1-000-ft-fall-down-the-empire-state-building-759670

Tldr; she lived till 74 and had a family and children, so it looks like it all worked out after nearly dying two or three times from the crash/burn/elevator crash.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's like one of my worst fears

[–] Entropywins 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Being thrown from an elevator or elevator falling 75 stories or airplane hitting the building?

[–] Jerb322 11 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Record setting go-getter

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t build em like they used to.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

either that or they don't make jet fuel like they used to

in before "um, actually, the B-25 was a propeller-driven aircraft and therefore obviously did not use jet fuel"

[–] Kimano 32 points 2 weeks ago

I mean that and a b25 weighs like 40k lbs and a 767 weighs like 400k lbs, and flies twice as fast.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Very very different crashes.

The planes that hit the twin towers were bigger, going faster, and had more fuel.

The twin towers themselves were also built with a different skyscraper design at well that used fewer steel beams. I don't remember what the names of the skyscraper design types were but I remember a 9-11 history channel program going into it.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Jet fuel can't melt steel memes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Should have used jet fuel!!! I hear it can melt steel beans

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I thought it was that it "can't" melt steel beams

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Beams? Of course not.

Beans? Absolutely.

[–] ikidd 7 points 2 weeks ago

Wake up, sheeple.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

Man that is some insane photos and damage.

Both because it's impressive and minor all at once. The fire damage looks far more severe and like it hit multiple floors and yet the exterior stone is barely wedged out of place.

You can even still see the debris of the plane.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

This confirms Things were more solid in the past?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Possible. Though a B-25 is smaller and much slower than a 737.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

A 767-200, like the one that hit the tower in 2001, carries roughly 3 Fully loaded B-25s worth of FUEL alone.

[–] espentan 15 points 2 weeks ago

Not to mention compared to a 767.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 weeks ago

I mean the modern skyscraper is definitely built very different these days.
The world trade center used hollow exterior support so they could avoid having support columns interrupting the floor plans and large central support columns but you can see what happens when the exterior support gets damaged and heat causes sag from the weight.

Advanced techniques usually mean less material and faster build times.
You know what was even more solid? A huge pile of rocks in the shape of a pyramid.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

B-25: 33,000lbs @ 225 mph

vs

767-200: 300,000 lbs @ 500 mph

so, roughly 10x the weight at 2x the speed

[–] pahlimur 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If those numbers are correct, that's 40x the energy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

rough approximation, but I did double check the numbers.

ie we don't know the exact weight of the bomber, but that's its average laden weight, could be lighter without bombs

in 2001 the second plane hit faster than the first and I believe the first is guessed from footage but the second is from the black box?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not the bomber.

[–] StaticFalconar 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Opposite. This confirms planes back in the day were flimsy as shit.

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[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

On the morning of 9/11, after the first plane had hit the first tower, my dad, a news junkie, called me to tell me a plane hit the WTC, but I was busy with work and I told him I couldn't talk but I hoped it wasn't too bad. I assumed it was some sort of accident like this (which I already knew about).

Then he called a little while later to tell me that a second plane had hit the other tower...

[–] aeronmelon 9 points 2 weeks ago

Empire State Building: "Oh no, anyways..."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm curious how they went about repairing this. Do they cut out sections and weld it together or what?

[–] Buddahriffic 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think they did repair this. That plane looks like a write off.

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