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Can confirm for both Gog and steam I have always had access to the original fallout which went missing off store fronts for a number of years
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Well GOG should drop the dark pattern to get you to download Galaxy. Besides that they're alright
Galaxy is a necessary convenience for them to compete with Steam tbh
That doesn't mean they should abuse psychology to get us to download it.
trying not to cry
cry a lot
give those people some cookies !
bursts in tears
Just make sure you download them and back them up yourself because they certainly can revoke your ability to download them from their servers, is what they are implying here.
Sure, just like other brick and mortar stores can refuse to give you backups of a DVD you own.
As long as the installer works offline this is just as good. It's up to you to store it in whichever format you prefer so that you don't lose it - hard drive, thumb drive, DVD...
If you nuke your computers hard drive with the installers of your games, or you step on your blu rays with games and break them, then you lose access to them. As it's always been, no matter the format?
Luckily there are some friendly people with eye patches and peglegs on the internet backing them up for you.
"It's not piracy, it's federated backups!"
Good luck finding a semi obscure 15 year old game on the high seas.
You might be surprised. Plenty of sites backing up whatever they can. Try archive.org and various abandonware sites.
Or, I might not be surprised at all. You might find Borderlands for the next 20 years, but what about the games that only sold like 40k copies to begin with?
At this point we're just anecdote vs anecdote, but I've been pleasantly surprised during most of my attempts.
I'm not going to try and sift through collections on abandonware sites and try to cross reference them against known copies sold. The only person who can speak to your personal white whale is you.
archive.org has many gigs worth of 90s era "900 in 1" shareware/freeware CDs on it. Games that never sold copies and were just stolen personal projects shoved onto one disc.
Recently I found multiple users on SoulSeek that collectively have nearly the whole discography of a relatively unknown japanese house music label, Far East Recordings. The main artist Soichi Terada's work on the Ape Escape game soundtracks (only thing he's known for in the US) is easily available as are his CD releases, but there's a ton of vinyl only releases (he was prolific in the late 80s through mid 90s) that I could find evidence existed but couldn't actaully find the music anywhere. On top of that he did a lot of collabs with japanese artists that just don't exist online, and I found a ton of their stuff on SoulSeek as well.
Also, be the change. I've backed up all the CDs from my childhood, and put them up on the archive if I couldn't easily find them on it already. When I find time I'll do the same with all the old freeware games I downloaded back in the early 2000's. Keep backups. I've got easily accessible backups going back to my family's Windows XP, and I have our Win 98 drives whenever I decide to buy the right adapters.
Anyway, hope you find what you're looking for.
I found a copy of 1995's 'Desktop Toys' on archive.org, and ran it on linux with wine literally yesterday.
Windows 11 has an incompatability with 32 bit progams apparently.
I see your point, but I think we're in better shape than you estimate.
That said, we could always be in bettar shape, and as more is created, the less complete archives can be.
Will they also help during a zombie apocalypse? Asking for a friend...
Yeah, like when you buy a physical copy of a gane, it's up to you to make sure you keep that copy somewhere you can find it again, assuming it hasn't started decomposing.
Well yes, of course. They sell you an installer and it's on you to download it. That the servers could be turned off at one point in the future because the company doesn't have money any more should be clear. It's on you to save the installer on your own hard drive, not the companies!
The missing context here (I think) is that California passed a law saying that digital storefronts (like steam and gog) can't say things like "buy game" because you aren't actually gaining ownership of the game, but instead just buying a license to access it. Some people were questioning if this law should apply to gog since their games are drm free and can be freely installed on any compatible devices once you download the installer.
Some of their games are drm-free/have offline installers
Isn't the law only about always online games?
That was my understanding as well.
California Governor Gavin Newsom has signed a law, AB 2426, to address concerns over "disappearing" purchases of digital media, including games, movies, music, and ebooks.
It should because their use agreement makes it clear that you don't own the games but are licensing them. That's pretty much why they had to clarify what they said I'd imagine. IMO, proving the point of the law, really.
This is equally true for almost any game ever sold, including physical ones. You only ever own a license that specifies what you can and cannot do with the game. The difference is in what this license is tied to, for example either a physical copy of a given game or an account that can be remotely deactivated taking away all your games. In GOG's case once you grab the installer, the game license cannot be easily forcibly revoked, just as with the physical copy.
The difference with physical is that you own the physical medium the license is stored on and are permitted to sell the physical medium with the license. With digital downloads you are not allowed to sell a drive with the files. Since you are technically making a copy.
The worth of a gog game secondhand is 0 though. Theres nothing to be made there.
People do sell accounts though.
Isn’t there a clause in baldur’s gate 3 terms that lets you transfer the game license once to a friend or something along those lines?
Not sure how that works but it’d be cool if we can have that apply for all of them (digitally) maybe like 3 times over the lifetime of the licensed game.
Thanks for saying this.
With recent campaigns and rants against digital media, people often claim that "you own the game if you buy a physical copy". That always makes me sigh, because it's false.
Not saying there are some advantages for some use cases, but I dislike hyperbole and untruths.
That's just semantics.
When you buy a CD, you don't own the songs.
But you do have some item that belongs to you.
With Steam, you have a ticket that will let you into Steam to download the game for as long as your account is in good standing and as long as Steam exists.
With GOG, you have a file you can use to install the game on any machine INDEFINITELY. GOG can't revoke your access for any reason, and if GOG shuts down, you can still install the games.
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I understand that the buyer doesn't lose the de facto ability to install the game from a local copy of the installer, but is it possible to lose the de jure right to install the game in that way due to licensing issues on GOG's end? I'm not saying it is, I'm just curious.
is it possible to lose the de jure right to install the game in that way due to licensing issues on GOG’s end
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that no, you can't. When you buy the game, you've obtained a perpetual license to install and play that game, similar to what you'd have if you bought the game on a disk. You can lose your ability to download the game, that isn't guaranteed to be unlimited or perpetual, but installing it via the installer you downloaded, and playing it once you do, are forever. (This is in contrast to something like Steam, where you rely on their servers granting you permission to install the game, and that permission can be revoked.)
How is backing up an installer from GoG different in any way to backup a game folder in Steam?
Both can be copied to a different computer and used to run the game offline forever (unless of course the game has DRM, in which case both suffer from the same problem).
Right, if you download the offline installers, then they can't stop you from doing whatever you're going to do with it but you don't own them. Legally, you can't sell them, transfer them to someone else, etc.
There are other sections that make the lack of ownership by you clear and that you still have to abide by the publisher's/developer's licensing agreements but Section 10 states the situation outright:
Section 10 of the GOG user agreement says:
GOG content is owned by its developers/publishers and licensed by us.
Did people think they meant something else? Or was it more that they didn't really elaborate and folks didn't know quite what they meant?
I think they are clarifying due to what has happened with Ubisoft. They're also using it as an opportunity to spread the word farther that they won't do the same thing.
It's too clarify that in their case the games you buy on their platform don't require anything in particular to install (just the install file that you can download from their website directly and back up for later use), contrary to all other major stores.
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