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[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"When the lights turned on, everyone was in the resistance from the very beginning"

  • a German comedian whose name I forgot
[–] masquenox 3 points 3 months ago

“When the lights turned on, everyone was in the resistance from the very beginning”

This pretty much explains my feelings about the Jojo Rabbit movie.

[–] 2ugly2live 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's been interesting. It's a real life answer to, "But how did the Nazis gain power?"

It's also terrifying.

[–] ivanafterall 6 points 3 months ago

Never again!!!

[–] shalafi 29 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Been saying this is exactly what will happen with Trump if he loses again. Watch people start backpedaling in the next few years, saying they weren't really a big fan.

[–] Soleos 8 points 3 months ago

That's what we expected when Biden won in 2020, then Jan 6 happened and Trump is running again. There's an implication that things will gradually return to some 2007/2008 status quo (which was also very polarized) and right-wing extremism will simmer down. But there's no reason for it, no cultural forces for it. Right now there's no reason to think another Trump or someone worse won't take up the mantle of owning the libs by grifting the right.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I'm pretty sure Paul Ryan will come out of his rock when Trump time is over. He stepped down as speaker because he knew the shit storm was coming.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

watching this situation play out in real time in my life with pictures and videos all over social media and a majority of people hating it, but looking the other way and supporting leaders who enable it anyways makes me suspect that this his how all genocides takes place; the ruling classes lets it happen and they're enabled by their own liberals & conservatives masses.

[–] Sanctus 21 points 3 months ago

Its a behavioral problem within hierarchical social structures. These things happened long before we had conservatives and liberals. Its an issue with how we structure our societies to "follow those at the top". When the top wants to murder and pillage, historically they dont have a hard time convincing the lower strata to cooperate.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You've hit the nail on the head. A mix of propaganda, whataboutism, and short attention spans creates social intractability. Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky is a good media criticism book that speaks to this if anyone is curious.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

i've been reluctant to read up on chomsky's works due to his response about visiting epstein's child fuck island (tldr: he said it's none of your business).

it diminishes his legacy and makes me wonder if his work is truly inspired or just high quality rantings of a smart man.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's definitely fucked up. That said, the book was a collaboration with another economist, Edward Herman. So it isnt entirely his work. It is still generally used as a text in economics and sociology programs across the world.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

i'm aware of it and it's on my list; just lower in priority due to the epstein update.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Shit. That's very disappointing. This is my first time hearing about it. Guess I'm glad I listened to Understanding Power through alternative means

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

never meet your heros, i guess

[–] Keeponstalin 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The Epstein update absolutely made me think less of him as a person, no exceptions should be made for that kind of shit. That said, his work on foreign policy like Manufacturing Consent, On Palestine, and Consequences of Capitalism are all extremely detailed and well done.

[–] MutilationWave 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Gotta separate the art from the artist. And if you don't want to give that person money because they're terrible, pirate their stuff.

[–] Keeponstalin 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Shout out to Library Genesis and Used Book Copies. Sometimes the audiobook are free on an Audible subscription, but I'm not sure how the money flows for that one

[–] Viking_Hippie 4 points 3 months ago

on an Audible subscription, but I'm not sure how the money flows for that one

Straight into the pockets of Jeff Bezos. Audible has been owned by Amazon since 2008

[–] ivanafterall 2 points 3 months ago

I understand when that just isn't possible, however. I'll never be able to enjoy The Cosby Show again, for example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

i don't think anyone doubts that it's well done.

[–] TokenBoomer 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Inventing Reality by Michael Parenti is basically the same book.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

i haven't heard of this one; thank you

[–] MigratingtoLemmy 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't see why his behaviour should have any correlation with the technical merits of his book. With that said, I haven't actually read it yet (it's on my list)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

only in that he benefits from it; i think.

[–] Cryophilia 1 points 3 months ago

That's dumb. If we find out Einstein was a kid diddler, I'm not gonna start questioning the merits of General Relativity.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (21 children)

Just out of curiosity, what's your take on the war in Ukraine?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

What's even sadder than the quote is the fact that it's not true. Some people will never make an about face, even if they should because they have nothing to lose 10 or 20 years from now.

Take a look at Vietnam or the Iraq War. How many people who supported those when they happened or in the decade after they happened later went public and admitted that they got it wrong? Some people did, but many never would. Part of that is their identity. They never cared about the loss of life, and they never will, but they do care about signaling to their allies what's important.

[–] masquenox 17 points 3 months ago

For the record.

Fuck Israel.

And fuck it's supporters and enablers, too.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I find it insane people most hurt by the nazis try the hardest to emulate them. Like what the hell man

[–] Linkerbaan 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Really helps you get a new level of respect for Muhammed Ali who was actually a massive celebrity on the right side of history.

[–] answersplease77 5 points 3 months ago

he puts all those hollywood S-tier clueless celebrity twats to shame. The Rock and Justin Bieber were sharing pics of Gaza destruction on fire saying "Oct-7 pray for Israel" because they dont know shit about Palestine neither Israel, and were told to follow narrative or get cancelled. None of them has any principle or moral stand on anything. They're all sold.

[–] Mango 4 points 3 months ago

When we stop being afraid of the fuck ups who are doing this, we can stop it from ever happening again. Unfortunately the population is ruled by fear, bread, and circus.

[–] Cryophilia 2 points 3 months ago

This quote goes so hard

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