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I agree that Lemmy should attempt to show up on search results.
This would hurt Reddit, the business relationship with Reddit (like Google exclusivity), the entire position of Reddit (organic search results) for Steve Huffington as the CEO.
There is no business relationship between Lemmy and Reddit.
I am pretty sure they meant the relationship between Reddit and Google.
Yup, not sure how he misread that.
The punctuation
Well, it is indexable and is being indexed. And thanks to the federated nature every post is getting tons of links from all over the world.
Why does Lemmy need to do anything but be Lemmy? I don’t want to see it turn into Reddit. I like it just fine the way it is now.
More traffic plus searchability means more niche communities start to develop actual value.
As in the Lemmy community is a resource of info to the real world hobbits.
Lemmy could absolutely benefit from a bit more traffic. Lemmy is a good Reddit replacement for the largest subs. Like if you're into self hosting, Linux and general tech there's a lot to offer. But if I need to engage with a smaller community or ask a niche question I know there just isn't enough people here to fulfill that. Either that or a lot of smaller Lemmy communities are just bots reposting from their equivalent subreddit.
I'm pulling a number out of my ass but it seems like for every 50 people to subscribe to a community, you'll get 1 really active poster and 49 lurkers. My hometown on Reddit has 23k subscribers it's safe to say it's got about 400 active users. On Lemmy it's 86 and as the assumption math goes, there's only 1 person posting there.
Even if our traffic doubled we'd still be tiny in comparison but at least the small communities would start to come alive
Reddit didn't become popular overnight. It took decades before small communities were a thing. The internet is even less discoverable than when reddit got popular. People don't search for new websites or move without a reason.
I mean, it kind of did. When Digg imploded Reddit received a massive influx of users over night. At the time and with Digg out of the picture there just wasn't a good alternative to Reddit (slashdot and fark to lesser degrees) so they had the whole market to themselves. Similarly a lot of us came to Lemmy overnight when Reddit turned off their apps. The difference is, Reddit for many many users is still good enough and fundamentally the same as it's always been.
The fact is though, without search traffic the only way to end up on Lemmy is knowing it already exists and that's going to hinder growth.
You worded the core understanding in a better way but finally someone gets it!
i don’t know about decades plural. maybe one.
also reddit didn’t have to compete with reddit.
No disagreement, I just would prefer to see it happen organically. I’m not against indexing Lemmy or getting new users of course. I’m against Lemmy trying to be Reddit. After all, we saw how Reddit turned out. Why aim to be the thing we escaped from?
Definitely. Luckily the fediverse by its nature is somewhat insulated from becoming a company with a CEO like Reddit.
I said search indexable which would only allow the OC of Lemmy to outshine Reddit (to which it holds its most pride on) and not become Reddit like adding snoovatars or awards anywhere in my unpopular opinion with valid reason expanded above.
More people means more discussions. But more people also means more chance of encountering idiots. It's a hard balance.
It's great besides some of the power tripping mods that do whatever they want and remain anonymous while doing it.
Indexable content is a good idea objectively, but Lemmy will never “be Reddit”. Sometimes something is just lost.
Again, am saying Lemmy doesn’t have to be Reddit with award system, snoovatars, NFTs… and what not - it’s not about that.
Am not going to repeat what has been already expanded above but Lemmy shouldn’t be walking the path made by Meta to 𝕏 as well like a good thing. When I have mentioned Reddit earlier, it was to remind what it was before the enshittification to understand the reason of its growth and strong position even today. People need to discover Lemmy in their own way beyond the existing reddit users from the comments section.
Oh! I think we agree, my apologies for misunderstanding you and talking past what you were saying.
The trouble is that search engines can't easily scope their search to "all of lemmy" (since things like site:lemmy.world would limit the scope to only a single instance) so they've got to develop that functionality from scratch. And with search engines being proprietary, it's not really possible for the Lemmy devs to help them with that even if they want to.
I think even Lemmy.world would be good instead of nothing where most of big subreddits have shifted as well, once a user creates an account then the rest would be easily accessible.
I would love to see Reddit come crashing down with Lemmy replacing it.
Me too bud, me too…
It won't become a major platform for the simple reason that something that should be the back end (the decentralization) is the front end (multiple websites with access to the same content but not really)
I don't want lemmy to replace reddit.
Call me gatekeepy or elitist if you want, but I feel like the primary driving force of reddit getting worse was it's popularity.
Like say mods actually moderating what gets posted in their dubs to make sure it actually fits, even if you want to do that, if you're a 3 million user reddit getting thousands of submissions a day, it's just not feasible.
Not to mention that rn lemmy is generally quite a like-minded community. And while we do have the .ml problem and had an influx of trolls during the reddit scandal, overall it's still very civil here. We can talk about any subject without have 500 "controversial" comments at the bottom of the thread.
Call me gatekeepy or elitist if you want, but I feel like the primary driving force of reddit getting worse was it's popularity.
I had the exact same experience in Reddit! People complained of frontpage news subreddits being of low quality. I recommended a certain subreddit because of its quality to everyone. Little did I know that more traffic means more morons flooding and deteriorating the quality.
But on the one hand, you don't want echo chambers to develop if it's just the same people you interact with on regular basis. Ideally you'd want differences in opinion and fresh ideas.
It's not as bad but can be just as psychotic. I got banned from green text because I asked them to provide proof that the general Canadian public didn't refer to doughnut holes as timbits. I posted sources for my argument, they did not.
Read my post and my other replies on this.
Agreed
Do we want it to replace Reddit though? Things changr
Reddit’s path of change is only how to become even worse.
Nope. I hope it remains more obscure and nerd filled
The best way to accomplish that is to tell people that Kagi has better search results than Google and Bing (which is true).
Isn’t Kagi paid?
Yes $5 for 300 searches per month. $10 for unlimited.
Yeah, don’t think vast majority of users is going to bother.
Services paid for by ads is the source of enshittification.
Companies should pay for Kagi for their employees. Better search results AND less risk of downloading keyword sponsored malware.