Anyone would be rattled by almost being shot in the face. I'm sure he will start using it to his advantage soon enough.
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He’s not normal. Yes, anyone would be rattled. But have you known anyone who has been scared of being poisoned for 40 years? Yet is a raging narcissist and sociopath?
No doubt it’ll be a new goddamned thing for the MAGAts and Qanuts
He should be afraid of being poisoned. He's a shit heal slum lord who has shrifted and grifted his way to power and wealth.
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I like to think that some small part of him knows this, and that's why he expects to be poisoned.
I would think paranoia and narcissism go hand in hand. After all, you are the center of the world and the world is out to get you.
What i totally believe is that he will have one of the most unhealthiest reactions to this going forward.
Stress is bad for your health, I can only imagine he's going to be having an absolutely unhealthy amount of stress.
Hell it's been about 15 years since the last time someone put a gun in my face and I still get uncomfortable around handguns.
Why do you keep flip flopping on whether Trump is a horrible person with personality flaws that deserve mockery, or whether he's a mentally ill person who deserves sympathy? The first one is correct. He's a neurotypical asshole weenie, he is not struggling through a disability and he doesn't deserve any shred of kindness.
You don't just deserve sympathy for being neurodivergent. He's a narcissist who has seemingly put zero effort into not being an asshole. He deserves nothing for that, just as anyone else who is "wired" to be more of an asshole also deserves nothing. Sure, it sucks that it happens to anyone, but it doesn't change that he's a horrible person who has done harm to so many people, and he deserves to be hated for it.
You get sympathy when you try to improve things. If you don't then only those you harm for your own gain get sympathy.
The point of the diagnostic process in medicine is to identify people who need medical treatment, not to identify bad people. Donald Trump isn't a n*rcissist, because he's simply a bad person. He does not have any illness that society bears responsibility for treating, except for cholesterol. Neurodivergent people deserve reasonable accommodations from society so that they can live a good life with their disability. Trump does not deserve any accommodations at all, because he's not disabled. He's not ill. He's an evil, privileged, highly abled neurotypical. As a neurodivergent person, I'm deeply offended whenever someone denies that the reactionaries who hate us are privileged. Donald Trump is privileged. He is not a member of a disabled minority. What you are saying is as offensive as claiming that his spray tan makes him black.
How are you so sure he's not a narcissist? He seems to fit many of the indicators. They also tend to be very good at exploiting people to gain power, which Trump has done frequently. If you think it's offensive to entertain the idea that he's a narcissist, I think you may be trying to exclude him from a group you identify with for bad reasons. He deserves no accommodation because he's a privileged asshole, like you said, but that doesn't also mean he isn't a narcissist. He's just shown no interest in solving this "issue" because it benefits him.
Many neurodivergent people live perfectly healthy lives with their differences. Requiring struggle to be neurodivergent is wrong. To use your analogy, you're saying only poor people can be considered black. Success or failure has little to do with being neurodivergent, just correlations.
I’ve gotta say I don’t think it’s wise to diagnose people like this. Diagnostic categories are imperfect, heavily influenced by social norms and prejudices, and used to categorize and control people just as often as they are used to help people get needed treatment. Trump is a bad person. We know that without a doubt. I think trying to label it as an illness, or debating if a certain condition is or is not responsible for his behavior, misses the point (and kinda ignores how the dsm’s very messy model of mental illness categories functions in practice.) Some people suck, no clinical explanation needed. Diagnosis is for when you are alone with a therapist trying to figure out what you need. It shouldn’t be a shorthand for making inferences about strangers, or papering over abusive behavior. Diagnoses are socially determined and have a history of being weaponized against people who, say, have not serially sexually assaulted anyone or tried to do a coup. The guy is a bad duded who also loves attention, that’s all. I think it’s better for everyone if we don’t try to medicalize it, because people who have been through the medical diagnosis machine are (often seriously) harmed when evil monsters become what most people automatically think of when they hear about p ‘mental illness’. Trump is just a horrible person. That’s all. He knows what he’s doing and he’s responsible for it.
You're right that neurodivergence in general doesn't require disability, but NPD specifically does. If you wanted to claim he has autism, your argument he's a perfectly functional person would hold water, though it would be an equally silly thing to argue. But you're arguing he has NPD, which is associated with significant psychosocial impairment typically impacting career, friendships, romance, family, and general social status. Trump is demonstrably very socially gifted and does not struggle with being accepted by society or the people around him. You're talking as though he overcame tremendous adversity to become president, but that's not true. The deck was stacked in his favour from the start!
There's many leaders through history who are assumed to have NPD, including business leaders. It's a "disability" that allows for one to have no issue manipulating others. It can be very beneficial if you don't care about personal relations and only care about gaining power and influence.
Power and influence within society ARE personal relations. People with NPD are socially disabled, they can't compete with neurotypicals on an even playing field when it comes to the sorts of skills that win elections. There's no such thing as a disability that makes people better at socialising, that's a myth. Doctors diagnose problems, they don't diagnose "being great at stuff".
I was going to say that he was remarkably well-composed given the circumstances. I had a very close call when driving once and after I was safe I pulled over and cried for 10 minutes. I don't like him, but he handled himself better than I would have. (Probably better than most people without a military background would have.)
I think everyone would act differently when high on the fumes of thousands of people being obsessed with them. He was probably focused solely on his own image in what could've easily been his final moments. Pretty pathetic honestly, if true
The advantages of being the only living, feeling being in the universe
My favorite conspiracy theory is that Trump was never the assassin's intended target. It was Mr. Comperatore that Corey was after, for some personal grudge, and Trump just happened to get in the way.
They were both from PA. Crooks could easily have known Mr. Comperatore.
In all seriousness, though, all respect to Mr. Comperatore and sympathy for his grieving family. And I don't actually believe this was anything other than what it appears: right-wing violence turned against itself, and both an incompetent shooter, and incompetent Secret Service security. Trump got lucky on both counts: he survived an attack, and has a perfect campaign photo.
I'm not sure Mr. comperatore is worthy of your respect, judging by his social media history.
He gets some positive credit for being a retired fireman, and in any case, having contemptible opinions is not justification for a death sentance.
The guy was a bystander, and an unlucky one. I'm sure he has people who loved and will miss him. It'd have been better if the shooter hadn't missed... several times.
Unless I'm actually accidentally right and Trump wasn't the target, which would be still sad but a little funny, too. Really, it's depressing that Crooks was that terrible a shot.
Oh I'm not saying he deserved this. I'm more commenting that I might stop short of respect.
Fair point. I could have chosen a better adjective.
Really? You could do better?
You're on a roof stressed the fuck out, you hear something behind you and realize it's a cop and you've been spotted, you point your gun and the cop falls off the roof. You spin and fire as fast as possible so as to still have the chance of doing what you came for. But alas, stress, adrenaline, and lack of skill has foiled your plans.
No I'm not defending the guys choice, or saying I could do any better in his position.
Probably. I wasn't a sniper, but I consistently qualified Expert in the Army. The shooter was at 200m; Army qualifications include hitting targets out to 300m, with limited time. So, yeah, I think I'd have done better.
I certainly would have chosen a different rifle than an AR15 for sniper work. I'd have picked .308 or .30-06 - both of which are extremely common hunting rifles - decent sights, and a good zero. And take the body shot: the guy's twice as big as one of the Army pop-up qualification targets, a head shot is way harder.
God damn what a despicable person!
I'm positively shocked the man at the fascist rally wasn't a good person.
Well, not that shocked
About as shocked as I am the sky is blue
My favorite conspiracy theory is that Trump was never the assassin's intended target. It was Mr. Comperatore that Corey was after, for some personal grudge, and Trump just happened to get in the way.
My favorite conspiracy theory is that this is evidence Trump has quantum immortality.
God I hope not
That's ridiculous. He's got Toonforce.
Please no, such a sad, unfun man should not have that kind of power, maybe Alex jokes tho, he’s already a character
Quantum? I thought the theory was theocratic immorality (ie. God didn't want him to die, so he didn't)
One night a man had a dream.
He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, and the other to the Lord.
When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints.
He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it.
"Lord, You said that once I decided to follow you, You'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life, there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why, when I needed you most, you would leave me."
The Lord replied, "My son, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you. During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I Carried You."
I mean, fuck Trumpsac with a rusty pineapple sideways, but: we're all lucky he survived; the Reichlings would've made a martyr of him.
the Reichlings would’ve made a martyr of him.
I highly doubt it - right-wing politics don't really work like that. When Verwoerd (of Apartheid-fame) got assassinated, no such thing happened. It barely happened after Mussolini got offed. It certainly didn't happen when Shinzo Abe bit the bullet.
I'd say that if Trump died it would have done a lot more than simply dent the whole "sturm und drang" bs the far-right has been peddling - it would have been a real setback for them. I think the post is correct - it's got Trump and his high-up wannabe-bootlickers in the GOP rattled. Only time will tell how much, though.
Shinzo Abe was no longer in power, and his assassin turned himself in, with evidence of Abe's corruption and proof that Abe had essentially tricked the assassin's mother into committing a slow suicide. That was always going to Garner sympathy in a culture that literally worships their ancestors.
with evidence of Abe’s corruption
Since when has that ever phased right-wingers?
That was always going to Garner sympathy in a culture that literally worships their ancestors.
Japanese people are not a monolith - stop treating them as one.
Maybe we all could use a bit more time at the range.
No arguments from me.
Pretty much this. Nobody else has really stepped into the role because despite a lot of outright fascist politicians existing, very, very few of them have the charisma or forceful confidence of Trump. That is the X factor: Trump throws 1000% of himself into any statement, no matter how minor, and preens and brags about every last thing. He doesn't back down, he doesn't acknowledge defeat, he doesn't even acknowledge if he's outright wrong. He is the archetypical firehose of falsehood, and people love him because of it.
I can't see anyone - not Vance, Haley, Ventura, ANYONE - outclassing the sheer tidal wave of personality that Trump has cultivated around himself in the political sphere.
Someone should start selling balloons at his rallies.
New hobby: go to Trump rallies and shortly after he starts speaking, scream "he's got a gun!" and run away. It'll be true because someone –if not most everyone– will have a gun.
Isn't that just a rephrasing of that joke conspiracy about JFK? That his head just like, did that?
At the RNC nomination meeting thing last night Trump looked like he'd spent most of the time since the attack literally ugly-crying in horror. Looking forward to hearing his speech when he formally accepts the nomination, and seeing how his new "uniter" persona plays out
When I take over 100 stress at once in Crusader Kings 3.