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[–] snekerpimp 106 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Iiiiiiiits NAZI PUNCHING TIME!!!!!

[–] PugJesus 108 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I oppose punching Nazis.

You might hurt your hand.

Use an object instead.

[–] snekerpimp 38 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I enjoy the satisfaction of a broken hand after some nazi punching. Reminds me I did something good for the world.

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[–] Cobrachicken 99 points 5 months ago (7 children)

These days, and especially with the continuing shift to the right in Europe, I'm repeatedly asking myself what the attractiveness of these ideologies is, that so many people again fall for them. They represent destruction not future. They do not have a plan for the future, they are only "against" everything good.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

They construct an ideology where everything was great way back when foreign powers were jealous of our national heritage and destroyed everything. It's a very easy to grasp and convenient myth, since your nation becomes the main character of history.

Nationalism/patriotism is very succeptible to falling for fascist ideology. Therefore, everyone waving their national flag with pride is sus to me.

[–] SLVRDRGN 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Your last sentence especially hit it home for me. I'm not currently proud of America, and I myself would feel like a total jamoke waving around the US flag with a grin right now.

But I will vote and try my best to fight for a country that I can be proud of.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Same thing any "in group" feeds on: self esteem. If you feel powerless, or worthless, or rudderless, any group that makes you feel powerful, valuable, and effective is going to be very appealing. Conservatives (read: fascists) prey on this. They make it seem like joining them is brave, and important. And since their followers lack identity and purpose, their self worth becomes entangled with [in group], be it closeted fascism such as the American GOP, or flaming such as Q/proud boys/whatever. And since their identity and value depends on the perpetuation and proliferation of their in group, they willingly accept lies and falsehood. Pretty easy to gaslight someone who's encouraging it.

Then when they wear their symbols of hate, or make shocking claims, or in anyway troll and grief society, up to and including dismantling democracy, they get a reaction. They've exerted their will on the world around them, and as such they feel powerful. The insidious bit is, even if the good guys win, with all their high falutin factual arguments and social programs, it just makes these sad people angier and feel worthless again. So they go right back to their pimps for some more sweet lies and marching orders.

[–] Burn_The_Right 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How do I upvote a comment twice?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago

Fascism preys on the ideas of regime change and stagnation. Physically, a government wishing to gather power through voters will promise new public works, a focus on workers, and the general embetterment of society. Ideologically, fascism promises a purging of those in power, those that lead the stagnation and bad working conditions that started the movement. They conveniently pin in on a group of people or a few undesirable groups to appeal to a large number of the population and then make a grab for power. Bad times and stagnation create fascism.

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[–] WoahWoah 69 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How are these people not named and shamed? They are just standing there in public with no mask on wearing a swastika and giving a nazi salute? And then, what, they go back to selling real estate or what..? When is this even from?

[–] Waldowal 37 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Picture is from 2010 in Knoxville Tennesee. Can't find any other info on the girl:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/swastika-nazi-salute/

[–] xenoclast 13 points 5 months ago

Needs a snopes status for "They're still fucking Nazis, man"

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (17 children)

Well the US was very much in love with the nazi party until it became politically inexpedient. Then they pretended they never were but didn't actually change anything

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[–] AngryCommieKender 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

We also had a war over being a conservative Loyalist, vs a proud progressive patriot, but people seem to forget that happened.

You don't get to be a regressive conservative, and be a proud American

[–] xantoxis 42 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Approximately one war every 80 years is what we're on pace for.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Gotta wait for the last people who experienced the horrors first hand to finally retire from power.

[–] xantoxis 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah I actually think this is literally why. As a species we can write things down all we want but we struggle to truly understand things we didn't experience.

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[–] Shapillon 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

America is involved in waaay more than a war every 80yrs.

There was Irak, Afghanistan, Kuwait, and Vietnam at the very least.

[–] Throw_away_migrator 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

No but the white wars against white supremacists were in 1860 and 1940 so 80 years apart.

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[–] sudo42 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Every year, we open up a stadium for a giant Pro Slavery + Pro Nazi + Pro Confederacy rally. At the end of the rally, we lock all the doors and sell everyone in the stadium to the highest-bidding slavers.

Everyone at the rally gets to enjoy their pro-slavery desires and everyone else is rid of them. Win-win.

[–] EleventhHour 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

um... who do we sell them to? if it's someone outside the stadium, aren't they also pro-slavery? wouldn't that mean they'd also be in the stadium? also, wouldn't we, then, end up with a lot of slaves?

this seems like a bad idea for a few reasons, the least of which is the hypocrisy...

[–] Dozzi92 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Qatar. We sell them to Qatar.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] danc4498 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (8 children)

Honest question, did we fight the Nazis because they were Nazis as we know them today (genocidal/racist/fascist)? Or did we fight the Nazis because they were attacking our allies?

[–] PugJesus 24 points 5 months ago

The US government under Roosevelt was opposed to the Nazis from the start, before WW2 began, on account of its fascist character.

While America was deeply racist at the time, it was also very unevenly racist, and even prominent Nazi fellow-travelers like Charles Lindbergh expressed revulsion at the level of Nazi racism displayed.

The genocide proper didn't begin until WW2, and by the time we were already, for all practical purposes, 'in the game', so to speak.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's a complicated question without a clear answer. It's hard to establish the motivations of an individual person, but much harder when you're talking about the entire country. Generally, people were united in the war effort, but for a variety of reasons. The NYT downplayed the Holocaust and specifically tried to avoid focusing on antisemitism, in part because they were worried that people wouldn't like the idea of fighting a war to protect Jewish people, as racism and antisemitism were very much present. On the other hand, you had people like folk singer Woody Guthrie who explicitly connected the war to anti-fascism in his songs. But there were also plenty of people and media who had been praising Hitler, before he started invading everywhere.

Basically there were lots of reasons for lots of people to dislike the Nazis, so it's kind of hard to detangle who was motivated by what and to what degree. Generally though, if they had kept to their own borders, it's unlikely that any other country would have invaded them just for being fascists, and many countries went through great lengths not to go to war with them, because nobody wanted to recreate the devastation of WWI. Even then the US wasn't willing to get directly involved until it was directly attacked.

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[–] Sam_Bass 25 points 5 months ago

Evil never rests. Neither should we

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You don’t get to be a German and not feel pain - a lot of pain.

[–] ghostface 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

But not yours to bare my German brother from across the pond.

Germany has learned ( IMO) that while nazi party rose in Germany. Germany isnt the Nazi party. The United States never learned the lessons from this historical past.

Danke

[–] RecursiveParadox 21 points 5 months ago

Well said. And Fck AfD. You guys keep fighting the good fight.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

There were also wars of "being a Native American and being allowed to live" Vs "fucking dying".

I guess wars aren't always a good metric.

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