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Exclusive: if ex-president succeeds, prosecutors could be left with only a sliver of evidence for obstruction charge

Donald Trump is expected next week to ask the federal judge presiding in the criminal case over his retention of classified documents to revoke prosecutors’ access to memos made by his ex-lawyer that became key evidence of his efforts to obstruct the investigation, according to sources familiar with the plans.

The request will be made before US district judge Aileen Cannon at a sealed hearing Tuesday. The former president last month challenged prosecutors’ access to transcripts of voice memos made by ex-lawyer Evan Corcoran, but what Trump will seek behind closed doors has not been reported.

Trump’s lawyers are expected to argue that none of the memos should have been given to prosecutors on the crime-fraud exception, which allows prosecutors to see privileged communications between a defendant and a lawyer, if their legal advice was used in furtherance of a crime.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The request will be made before US district judge Aileen Cannon

so we all know how this will go

[–] newthrowaway20 36 points 3 months ago

She'll need about 6 months to make a decision.

[–] LEDZeppelin 36 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This is how two tiered justice systems looks like

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

This is more like a new, third tier altogether.

If most of us get Justice Standard Edition and rich people get Justice Plus, this is like Justice Platinum Rewards.

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

There are four tiers:

Rich justice

^

White justice

^

Black justice

^

Indigenous justice

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Na sorry, there's another one above the others. Ex-president appointed judge-justice.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 3 months ago

I'd say 'untouchable' isn't even a tier.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

You can leave off the "indigenous justice" since there isn't fucking any.

[–] Today 5 points 3 months ago

Frequent flyer

[–] stoly 5 points 3 months ago

This ain’t two tier. It’s rigged.

[–] Burn_The_Right 24 points 3 months ago

Never in human history has there been a peaceful cure for conservative fascism. Never.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Trump’s lawyers are expected to argue that none of the memos should have been given to prosecutors on the crime-fraud exception, which allows prosecutors to see privileged communications between a defendant and a lawyer, if their legal advice was used in furtherance of a crime.

They're expected to argue on the basis that these memos didn't amount to using Corcoran's legal advice.

But surely that's a moot point, because while Trump didn't use of any specific legal advice, he absolutely abused the privileged information obtained from Corcoran (such as the date of the inspection and the date of his return) in obstructing the return of classified documents to the whitehouse.

The memos make quite clear that Trump abused attorney-client privilege in furtherance of a crime. Plain and simple.

And I severely doubt Corcoran didn't know what Trump's intentions were with that information - and if not before, he certainly should've known afterwards when being "asked" to pluck out documents.


I legitimately have to wonder how it can be legal for Trump to be trialled by judges he put into power, and that have shown such clear and demonstrable biases in his favour - even going so far as to deliberately delay cases as far as legally possible.

As @[email protected] put it, it's like he's got an extra special justice system especially for him - who knew all you needed to do was appoint your own judges.

[–] SkyezOpen 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The SC is dragging their feet on immunity too. I wonder if biden hypothetically drone striking trump would speed that decision up at all. I mean, can't try biden unless he's impeached, right?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The Court has to know that ruling a former President immune for breaking the law isn't a viable decision.

Like, it would immediately make any sitting President a king, and supercede the Court's power.

Which is why they'll wait, but rule he isn't immune. Not because it's the right thing, but because doing otherwise would make the Court less, and they're selfish fucks that want to be on top.

[–] SkyezOpen 5 points 3 months ago

It's also holding up one or two other trump trials while they wait for the decision. Though a tiny part of me hopes they rule presidents are kings and biden just goes "OK bet" and does whatever the hell he wants. I can imagine him watching helmetcam footage of a few supreme court justices getting black bagged by seals while eating an ice cream cone.

[–] Dragomus 1 points 3 months ago

I will not be suprised if they rule him immune in that very specific case, under his excuse that he was "defending democracy with the information he had at that time".

It blocks full immunity for everything and gives Trump a free pass, the SC will retain power, and the US saves a little bit of face, on paper, in legitimizing the jan 6 troubles.

[–] dogslayeggs 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

While this should be cut and dry, I have no confidence the judge appointed by convicted felon Trump will make the legally correct ruling.

[–] Dragomus 1 points 3 months ago

"To prevent future misuse of these client-lawyer documents I order them all destroyed forthwith"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Asking to suppress the memos should be another criminal charge.