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[–] 9point6 192 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

I'm sorry, why the fuck aren't these street legal in more than half of the states? The article says something about safety, but these are street legal all over Europe where we have stronger safety regulations.

Also there's something I can't put my finger on about the journalist choosing a hero image of the van losing its cargo.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

Probably because it's not safe to drive them around giant pickups who can't see over their hoods

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Europe and Japan all have freight trucks driving around, so I don't buy that. The fact that many states won't allow these is American truck manufacturing protectionism, nothing more. It's the same reason you can only get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck from Ford, Chevy, or Ram (chicken tax).

[–] YaDownWitCPP 17 points 2 weeks ago

It's all about the chicken tax.

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[–] NocturnalMorning 17 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

How's that different from driving a car roughly the same size?

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[–] afraid_of_zombies 48 points 2 weeks ago

Protectionism.

[–] Altofaltception 46 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Speed restrictions.

Kei trucks were designed for use in dense Japanese cities, which is why they also work in European cities. They are nimble but have a low top speed. You're not going 70 mph around a street corner for instance.

It would work in places like NYC for the same reasons, but remember that most of the USA is suburban or rural. You need vehicles that are capable of going fast if you're going to get on a highway.

A possible workaround is to have a separate class for these, like mopeds or scooters, which are road legal but are not highway legal.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

That work around is what most states that explicitly legalized kei trucks have done, they can't enter roads over 55mph. It's a reasonable concession, you probably don't want to take one over 50mph anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

In Illinois, at least, your motorcycle has to be 150cc to ride on the interstate. A Chinese GY6 scooter might be able to do 50MPH with a tailwind. You'd get killed on the interstate on one of those, yet, fully legal to do it.

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[–] MeatStiq 30 points 2 weeks ago

Here in the states we have ~~legal corruption~~ lobbyists which the auto manufacturers pay to keep cheap vehicles from being used. And then the lawmakers claim safety concerns as the reason.

[–] Addv4 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

They're not really safe. They are generally front heavy, so there is a risk of rolling forward, no crumple zone safety stuff, more often than not the front suspension is under the seat and if that breaks it would shoot up into the cabin, and on top of everything they are pretty slow. They have more in common with an off road Polaris than a traditional truck, which is to be expected because they were mostly designed to be farm trucks. I'd much rather be in an older s10 than a kei truck in the event of a crash (and s10's aren't very safe). I think I lot of why they are so popular these days is because there aren't really any light trucks anymore, and these are an alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

We desperately need smaller vehicles to counter the behemoth light trucks that are in the road today. Everything about these kei truck bans just scream corruption and incompetence from politicians to domestic auto manufacturers.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

"Light" trucks. A real light truck is something like the Toyota Hilux up through the 5th or 6th generation.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago

My S10 is a "light truck." A Silverado 3500 is not.

[–] venusaur 25 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

Americans just love being the biggest on the road. Bigger is better in their minds. Maybe we put an extra tax on very large vehicles.

[–] RGB3x3 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We need to require special licenses for those behemoths.

I'd prefer they get banned entirely because there's really no practical use for them that isn't solved by some other commercial vehicle.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (59 children)

I would love a Kei truck, but I don't live in a state where you can legally have one. That said I really think that if a Japanese manufacturer brought a barebones electric Kei to the American market they could make a killing because "people who want a truck but not a massive truck" is a totally unserved market segment.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

Chicken tax and EPA nuttery. It's fucking bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

Been to Japan lately and can share some photos. There are even Kei Fire Trucks, for the many small roads with wooden houses and shrines etc.

And then there are hundreds of different kei truck and van types for all purposes, even concrete mixers.

Also, private houses in cities are often small and space-saving and so are the cars. A sensible use of public space – and cars only park on private property or rented parking spaces.

[–] daddy32 18 points 2 weeks ago

This is just freaking adorable!

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[–] JJROKCZ 53 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I’ve wanted one of these for decades but the options are pay out the ass for import fees or buy a 30 year old model, neither fee great. Hate that my government is apparently dead set on all of us driving massive trucks and SUVs over realist vehicles

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

It's almost as if car manufacturers and big oil write the laws to increase their own profit margins...

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[–] Blaster_M 52 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Reminder that due to the chicken tax, these vehicles have to be 25 years old before they can be imported.

The big problem is, these vehicles were built to 30 year old safety standards - no vehicle from the 1990's (except maybe a SAAB, and even then they're not strong enough anymore and will fail a small offset frontal) can compete with a modern car in safety requirements.

There is also the fact that these vehicles have been around for 25 years, and have that amount of age and wear on their platform - they won't be as strong as they originally were off the production line.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

no vehicle from the 1990’s (except maybe a SAAB, and even then they’re not strong enough anymore and will fail a small offset frontal) can compete with a modern car in safety requirements.

Americans keep building bigger trucks and raising speed limits, then bemoaning how small vehicles aren't safe enough to survive an 80mph impact with a 10,000 pound vehicle.

You think these Keis are dangerous? Try riding a bike.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Even if you could get a new one, I don't think they'd meet US safety standards. Not even close.

Mind you, the US has to have stringent safety standards because we have gigantic vehicles in the first place.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I call bs, a motorcycle provides way less protection. And which states are they illegal in? Lobbying and another money grab from corporations in our "free market" society. I would love one of these BTW.

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[–] Snapz 50 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

What is the too small for road safety thing? That's pure bullshit, right? Smart cars are legal, how can these not be?

Give us cheap EVs and small trucks god damnit!!!

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] Fades 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Way ahead of ya!

Map: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/kei-truck-legal-states

No recorded law: 28

Legal: 19

Illegal: 2

https://keitruckconnect.com/us-states-you-can-drive-kei-trucks/

State-Specific Legality of Kei Trucks: The permissibility of these compact, fuel-efficient vehicles varies across the U.S., largely due to differing safety and environmental standards.

Are Kei Trucks Legal in California? In the Golden State, Kei trucks can be driven on local roads, but not on freeways. This is due to the fact that many of these vehicles are not equipped with EPA-compliant engines for highway use. However, there are no restrictions on their use for off-road activities. Their off-road capabilities make them a popular choice for those in need of a compact work or recreational vehicle.

Are Kei Trucks Legal in Texas? In the Lone Star State, the situation is a bit different. Kei trucks are not street-legal due to the state’s stringent safety standards for passenger vehicles. These trucks often lack standard safety features such as airbags and seatbelts, which can make them less safe in an accident. However, there are exceptions to this rule. If the mini truck is used for agricultural purposes or has been modified to meet the state’s safety standards, it may be allowed on public roads. In these cases, the necessary permits and inspections are required. Laws Governing Kei Trucks in other States. The permissibility of Kei trucks varies greatly across the U.S. For instance, in Alabama, you can use mini trucks on any public roads except interstate highways. The speed limit for these vehicles is 25 mph.

Florida allows registered mini trucks to operate only on streets with a posted speed limit of 35 mph or less. In Louisiana, you can use mini trucks freely with a speed limit under 55 mph. North Carolina allows mini trucks to be licensed and used on all NC roads.

In Washington, mini trucks are street legal. Wyoming permits mini trucks on any roads except for interstate highways. It’s important to note that none of the 50 states allow mini trucks on interstate highways. This is due to safety reasons and the fact that most Kei trucks can only reach a maximum speed of 65 mph, which is lower than the speed limit on interstates.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago

Besides taking way less space on the road or while parking, you'll only have to lift your stuff half the way up to the RAM or something like it. I personally like not breaking my back.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

smaller, cheaper

Just say better.
They are better vehicles and the ad campaigns for 'bigger, more expensive' vehicles are finally hitting their stupid wall.

Now lets do SUVs next.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Used commonly in railway maintenance in Japan! This budget friendly truck is favoured by JR which want to cut budget on everything.

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[–] mechoman444 22 points 2 weeks ago

So people are tired of paying 60 to 90k for an f150 or a Dodge ram? You don't say!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

How long until these are banned ?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

We are the party of free market capitalism! We won't allow rules to stop us from polluting the shit out of everything, we won't allow rules that will make the world better! We only allow rules that block the competitors of our biggest bribers

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[–] Jollyllama 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Already are banned in a few states, relegated to being registered as off road vehicles only.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Here's where they're legal, and exactly how legal they are in the US

Many of the "legal" states aren't all that legal, really.

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