mechoman444

The article you have provided doesn't support what you're saying instead supportswhat I've been saying the whole time.

There are of course parallels to Marxism in Star Trek. Which is not something being argued right now. The contention is that the society of Star Trek on Earth is marxist which it isn't then the contention turned to rottenberry taking inspiration from Karl Marx which he didn't.

Which goes back to my original question why are you talking about stuff you know nothing about?

Bird flu sucks. Too bad the CDC can't warn us about it though.

just a quick gpt query. So no... He wasn't.

While Star Trek reflects some Marxist themes—such as the abolition of poverty, class struggle, and money—there is no direct evidence that Karl Marx was a foundational inspiration for Gene Roddenberry. Roddenberry was more influenced by mid-20th-century liberal humanism, secular progressivism, and the optimism of the Space Age rather than Marxist theory.

The Federation’s post-scarcity economy resembles aspects of Marxist thought, but it arrives there not through revolution or class conflict but via technological advancement and social evolution. Moreover, Star Trek retains hierarchical structures (e.g., Starfleet’s chain of command), which contradict Marx’s vision of a classless, stateless society.

While Marxism and Star Trek share some overlapping ideals, Roddenberry’s future is more in line with utopian socialism, liberal progressivism, and even elements of American exceptionalism rather than strict Marxist doctrine.

I literally stated how it's not Marxist... I'm pretty sure that I even proved it in my statement originally.

Marxist communism envisions a classless, stateless society where the means of production are communally owned. Post-scarcity could theoretically contribute to this, but Marxist thought emphasizes the historical process of class struggle and the eventual dissolution of the state. If a government still exists in your scenario, it may not fully align with Marx's final stage of communism, which predicts the state "withering away."

How do you read this and go no it is Marxist I'm right.

No. You're just wrong and in every aspect.

Please refer to my responses further down in this thread.

No it's not. (I have to be honest with you. You clearly have no clue what Marxism or communism is and yet you make a declarative statement that holds no water at all; why?)

While the Star Trek universe presents a post-scarcity society where money is largely obsolete and resources are distributed based on need, it diverges significantly from Karl Marx’s vision of communism. Marxist communism is fundamentally rooted in class struggle, revolution, and the eventual withering away of the state. The Star Trek Federation, however, remains highly structured, hierarchical, and governed by an institutionalized bureaucracy, notably Starfleet.

Moreover, technological advancements such as replicators eliminate material scarcity, a condition Marx never accounted for in his theories. Instead of a classless, stateless society emerging from historical struggle, Star Trek depicts a future where economic necessity is bypassed through technology, and individuals contribute based on personal fulfillment rather than class-driven labor dynamics.

The core infrastructure issue is distinguishing between queries made by individuals and those made by programs scraping the internet for AI training data. The answer is that you can't. The way data is presented online makes such differentiation impossible.

Either all data must be placed behind a paywall, or none of it should be. Selective restriction is impractical. Copyright is not the central issue, as AI models do not claim ownership of the data they train on.

If information is freely accessible to everyone, then by definition, it is free to be viewed, queried, and utilized by any application. The copyrighted material used in AI training is not being stored verbatim—it is being learned.

In the same way, an artist drawing inspiration from Michelangelo or Raphael does not need to compensate their estates. They are not copying the work but rather learning from it and creating something new.

The Federation is not Marxist, communist, or socialist. These economic systems rely on a monetary framework where scarcity dictates value. In the Star Trek universe, scarcity has been eliminated on Earth. There is no energy crisis, no poverty, and no starvation. Transportation is instantaneous, and every individual's basic needs are met. With no financial struggle, humanity is no longer constrained by the pursuit of wealth. The Federation is not built on enforced equality but on a shared enlightenment. With abundant resources, every person enjoys a high standard of living.

I can't believe we're still on this nonsense about AI stealing data for training.

I've had this argument so many times before y'all need to figure out which data you want free and which data do you want to pay for because you can't have it both ways.

Either the data is free or it's paid for. For everyone including individuals and corporations.

You can't have data be free for some people and be paid for for others it doesn't work that way we don't have the infrastructure to support this kind of thing.

For example Wikipedia can't make its data available for AI training for a price and free for everyone else. You can just go to wikipedia.com and read all the data that you want. It's available for free there's no paywall there's no subscriptions no account to make no password to put in no username to think of.

Either all data is free or it's all paid for.

🤣 aight! It's all gravy to me then! 🤣

I cannot tell if you're being sarcastic. ☹️

There was absolutely no punchline in my statement; it was quite literal. My statement was intended to illustrate exactly how diluted homeopathic medicine is. If anything, you could call it hyperbole.

I can only assume that you interpreted my use of the word "hogwash" as pretentious, which was not my intention. Once again, I was simply using the word to emphasize the absurdity of homeopathic dilution.