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[–] [email protected] 142 points 6 months ago (2 children)

"Our research shows us that the pink dollar isn't as profitable as the bigot dollar. We don't actually care about anything other than profits."

[–] barsquid 15 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Nobody should have been giving them money for rainbow shit without looking at who they actually donate to and what they actually support.

This is still alarming as a bellwether. The Repub domestic terrorism has shut them up.

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[–] disguy_ovahea 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Conservatives will paint the can any color that will drive profits, without donating anything to support the cause.

MAGA will scream and shout about boycotting it.

The right’s spectrum is the difference between covert and overt bigotry.

[–] Hobbes_Dent 115 points 6 months ago (2 children)

“We don’t give in to terrorists. Only domestic terrorists.”

[–] Lost_My_Mind 27 points 6 months ago

"We don't give in to terrorists. Unless they have money. Then we give them goods and/or services in exchange for money."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

We like our beers like we like our terrorism, domestic.

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge 90 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh look, there it is...proof these companies never gave a flying fuck in the first place.

[–] AutistoMephisto 25 points 6 months ago

At first I was going to disagree, but then I thought about it and realized that if they truly gave a fuck, they wouldn't have let the crybullies win in an attempt to claw back their dollars.

[–] jeffw 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The North Face previously garnered pushback for its “Summer of Pride” event series in 2022 and 2023 in partnership with drag queen Pattiegonia

I’m sorry, which company partnered with a drag queen named Pattiegonia?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] jeffw 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Interesting and not shocking. But I was just making a joke about the fact that one of their main competitors is Patagonia and the drag queen’s name is Pattiegonia

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] jeffw 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Also not surprising. Chouinard is a lefty who has pledged a ton to environmental causes. I think he put the company into some kind of trust so that the profits will go to environmental causes even after he dies. Really great company

Edit: I think this goes into the details: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/climate/patagonia-climate-philanthropy-chouinard.html

[–] barsquid 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hell yeah. This makes me even more satisfied with my backpack.

Downloading this app right now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Let’s go we could use a few informed consumers holding companies accountable

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

some super brilliant marketing exec probably thought it would swipe a few clicks from people misspelling their competitor's name in search engines.

he works at wendy's now.

[–] TheBat 4 points 6 months ago

He actually works at Wrendy's.

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[–] Nightwingdragon 42 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

In other news, threats of violence continue to be used because they're effective, film at 11.

Remember, guys. When you're criticizing companies like Target for this, remember that it's not the CEOs that have to deal with the fallout on a day-to-day basis. They're safe in their offices. It's the teenage cashiers and stock boys that have to bear the brunt of the threats. It's the rank-and-file employees, who have no say in the matter one way or the other and have no authority to do anything about it. They're the ones who have to deal with the crazy bastards who come in and start physically tearing things down. The ones who come in screaming and causing a scene. The employees who can't even do anything about the asshole, especially if he's uncooperative and refuses to leave. Sure, they could call the cops, who might show up 20 minutes later.

Yes, these companies should be supporting the LGBT community. But if doing so is literally going to put their rank-and-file employees at risk from violent bigots, I can at least understand why they're gun-shy. There's no possible way to stop a bigot from walking into any store and creating havoc to get their point across, and there are far more bigots out there who have already said they're willing to resort to violence than most people thought.

Look at it this way: You have a choice to make. You've got social media on one side telling you to take choice A because it's the right choice to make, and some nutjob(s) in your face, physically threatening you with violence until you take choice B. Which one are you going to choose?

"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." And everybody has an answer until they're the ones being threatened.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Honestly all this tells me is that peaceful movements and protests are seemingly far less effective than violence. So if the LGBT crowd wants to see change, then their going to have to get violent too.

I don't morally agree with it, but it feels hard to deny the realities about it.

[–] Sarmyth 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Oh most definitely! Freedom is bought with blood.

Source: The whole of human history.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago

This is PROOF that VIOLENCE is the best way to cause Change!

[–] CMDR_Horn 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They aren’t cowards. They are legally obligated to make more profit for the shareholders. They couldn’t give a rats ass about anything else. Any public company showing “support” for pride is only doing it because they think it will drive more business than they’ll lose. The system is fucked

[–] [email protected] 65 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Common misconception. Fiduciary Duty means the Board of Directors has to act in a company's best interest. It does not mean they legally have to maximize every single profit possibility, short and long-term. Some people feel that improving a company's reputation or outreach is in its best interest, even if it doesn't increase profits.

It's also important to know that no one has ever been found guilty of failing to fulfill fiduciary duty, and it's pretty vague. Companies can still do what they want, don't let them tell you their hands were tied and they had to do [awful, greedy thing that everyone hates]...

[–] [email protected] 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)

no one has ever been found guilty of failing to fulfill fiduciary duty

For as big a deal as is made of this by investment advisors and similar roles, this is shocking to read.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

That must be hyperbole, right?

Like... The Enron guys at least, right?

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Madoff was straight up ponzi scheme fraud, not profit maximisation.

Enron guys were fraudulently booking future possible revenues as certainties.

Deliberate illegal misrepresentation is very different from making a (possibly) sub optimal business decision.

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[–] kalleboo 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Tim Cook even famously responded to a right-wing troll during a shareholder meeting asking Apple to commit to only doing profitable things and dropping stuff like making their production climate neutral with "When we work on making our devices accessible by the blind, I don't consider the bloody ROI.” “If you want me to do things only for ROI reasons, you should get out of this stock.” and somehow he's still around

edit: it really pissed them off too haha https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2014/02/28/tim-cook-to-apple-investors-drop-dead/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I dislike Apple, but respect for that. 👊

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Wow those people are scum bags. They call it "so called climate change"

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They never cared.

I don’t need Apple going on about LGBTQ+ in my country when it’s already accepted here. It’s funny how in the places where it should be promoted like Saudi or Russia that they keep quiet there.

I used to work for Apple and I’d raise these points in the daily meetings on the shop floor. It’s the same for green shirts to celebrate Earth day, by manufacturing green shirts and then shipping them around the globe. It’s all a facade.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

For all the idiots complaining about corporations milking LGBTQ+... This is far worse.

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[–] wreckedcarzz 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's almost like they have no spine and merely want to cash in on the rainbow-washing.

Who would have thought?

[–] foggy 5 points 6 months ago

Literally every other meme in June for the last 10 years

Company in May: ⬛⬜⬛⬜⬛⬜

Company in June: 🟥🟧🟨🟩🟦🟪

Company in July: ⬛⬜⬛⬜ ⬛⬜

[–] HogsTooth 15 points 6 months ago
[–] Bertuccio 14 points 6 months ago

TBF it only made anyone mad.

Many screeched omigodtheyreturningmahkidsgay. Many were annoyed at the blatant pretense at support that did zero actual supporting and just hoped to make a buck. The rest didn't notice or care.

I guess pretend support is still better than no support, but I didn't believe they were genuine or courageous a year ago, so it's not surprising for them to confirm it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

I already told my partner we can’t shop at target anymore because they gave into these fucks. Let me add more to the list.

[–] anticolonialist 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fucking cowards, this is one reason Im jaded against anyone calling themselves an ally. The slightest pressure and they will turn

[–] MataVatnik 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, goes to show how fucking hollow aĺ that pride support was

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I can’t believe the US Navy is scared of bigots.

I wouldn’t trust them to defend the coasts.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They're not afraid of bigots. They're afraid of low recruitment numbers.

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[–] Nurse_Robot 7 points 6 months ago

Fucking spineless cowards

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