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Italian media has said that the pope used a highly derogatory slur against LGBTQ+ people at a bishops conference. The remark may sour attempts by the pope to make the church more welcoming.

Pope Francis allegedly used a highly offensive term to refer to LGBTQ+ people during a closed-door meeting with Italian bishops, Italian media reported on Tuesday.

The major Italian daily newspapers La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera both cited anonymous sources as saying that the pope had made the remark while reiterating his position against gay people becoming priests.

The 87-year-old pontiff was reported as saying that the Catholic seminaries were already too full of "frociaggine" — a highly derogatory term in Italian.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 6 months ago

It's interesting that we have documented cases of homosexuality in thousands of different species, and yet not a single other species that practices Catholicism.

Being gay is more natural than being Catholic.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's this saying “a fish is caught through its mouth,” and this is an illustration of what it means. This pope might present this ‘cool’, ‘modern’ image to the public, but his words spoken in private amongst his peers reveals his real stance about these things.


Edit:‌ proofreading.

[–] CatZoomies 49 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Former Catholic, now atheist. I’m glad the Pope is making some progressive steps in the Catholic Church including the LGTBQ+ community.

I hope this was a misstep, and the case of a 90-year old man from a different country using language that he was not aware is a slur. I really really hope that, or else all that good will was for nothing.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 19 points 6 months ago

Don't hold out hope

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm so glad the pedophile ring is invluding the lgtbq+ community. They are so nice and progressive. If i were gay, the first thing i'd wish for is that the pedos like me.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I "meet" a gay religious Catholic once online and my brain is still recovering from it.

Why? Why? It makes no sense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Get raised catholic, turn out gay. What's to make sense of? Lots of religious followers cherry pick the bits of text they like and disregard the rest, why should gays be any more rational?

[–] afraid_of_zombies 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I can't think of a single institution that has done as much damage to the LGBT as the RCC.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Intentional? Or old man being old?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The dude is ancient; half his vocabulary as a child is probably a slur by this point.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

This is something more people need to remember.

The level of casual racism and sexism in the past is staggering when looked at from today, but was no big deal at the time.

"Mr. Mom" a movie about the insane idea of having a man doing childcare, came out in 1983.

"Fu Manchu" with Peter Sellers doing yellowface came out in 1980.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

For context the gap between "Mr. Mom" and The Dark Knight is 25 years. The gap between The Mummy and today is 25 years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't know if you could make Three Men And A Baby today because the premise "lol men doing childcare, amirite? This is gonna be gold" just isn't funny anymore. Millennial men are much more active and engaged fathers than previous generations.

It might be nicely subversive to make a modern reboot of Three Men And A Baby that's just Clerks but one of them has his son in a thing on his chest. Three 30 year old men competently care for an infant without incident while sharing pithy if relatable dialog.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

People always say that satire is dead, but they don't realize that it took subversive with it.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Go read the Ian Fleming novels about James Bond. Or don't. By page count I think about 1/3 of the books are just his bigoted rants

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago
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[–] FlyingSquid 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But I guarantee people will still call him "Cool Pope."

It's all been an act.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

He is the "cool pope"... when compared the literal Nazi one before him or the sexual predator protecting one before that. They are all horrible, this one happens to be the least horrible in a long time...possibly ever. Less horrible is still horrible.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's like saying Kim Jong-Un is the "Cool North Korean Dictator." It really doesn't mean much.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“The one who protected sexual predators” really doesn’t narrow it down 🙃

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

For those wondering, the word can be roughly translated in english as ::: spoiler removedry :::

Esit: can't figure out how to mark something as spoiler correctly

[–] A_A 12 points 6 months ago

Noun - - frociaggine - - (plural frociaggini)

(...)(vulgar, derogatory) f a g g o t r y

...
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/frociaggine

[–] NOT_RICK 8 points 6 months ago (8 children)

FYI I think your reply is getting automatically censored due to the slur even though you’re just trying to provide context

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[–] hamFoilHat 12 points 6 months ago

So, instead of saying, "Catholic seminaries were already too full of [bundle of sticks]" instead he meant to say that "Catholic seminaries were already too full of homosexuals". I'm not sure fixing the one word helps his message or is actually even the problem.

The term he used is being censored on here so I used a substitute.

[–] Phegan 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The woke pope ain't that woke

[–] mojofrododojo 6 points 6 months ago

well, compared to the last hitler youth....

[–] Gennadios 10 points 6 months ago

This really isnt any different than Grandpa calling the cashier at the Piggly Wiggly a 'colored'.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

The leader of an oppressive organized religion? Using slurs? Say it ain't so!

[–] Fades 7 points 6 months ago

FUCK THE POPE, the old geriatric fuck.

[–] Macaroni_ninja 4 points 6 months ago

I heard many bishops were offended and took it as a personal attack.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jessvj93 2 points 6 months ago

It's Italian for "/f@ggotness"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Few things, 1 He has done a lot for the LGBTQ community when it comes to the church ( allows the community to be blessed in church, supporting them to join the church).

2 I'm sure these was released by a "concerned" bishop instead of someone pissed at him.

3 Fuck all religion but the leaders need to follow his public example and support the LGBTQ community. Instead they stoke the flames. Be as rasicts, homophobic, or whatever as you want in your private life, I dont give 2 fucks. This coming from someone that looks white but is mix and grew up in Tennessee. Its when they try and push their shit on everyone else that i have an issue.

[–] Fades 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

wow he's so great, he let's LGBTQ people exist in the church's vicinity.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I see no problem in our current strategy of letting senile old people run the world....

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