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[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 month ago (3 children)

“Hey, we really don’t want you out here on the street, so we’re gonna have to do something about it.”

“You’re gonna give us homes?”

“lol no”

[–] Donkter 26 points 1 month ago (2 children)

"if we can't have homes and we can't be in public where are we supposed to go?"

"Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

[–] Num10ck 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

join the military or forced work camps in prison

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Basically just suicide with extra steps

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah but very lucrative steps.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Suicide is illegal though, so you better make yourself profitable before you die.

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[–] Raiderkev 6 points 1 month ago

Hands over rope

[–] bamfic 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You either give them homes or you line them up and shoot them. Those are the only two options.

Though if bullets are too expensive you can just gas them and then cremate them, which might be a more efficient Final Solution to The Homeless Question.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan 11 points 1 month ago

American eugenics sought to solve poverty by forcibly sterilizing the poor. The only reason it fell out of favor was the great depression when suddenly people who were once employed decided that maybe this wasn't fair now that they were about to be sterilized.

Which ties back in nicely to WW2, I unfortunately have to give some of the lawyers at the nunumberg trials praise for arguing "How can America sit in judgement of Nazi concentration camps when eugenics has been established legal by the Supreme Court?"

Anyways, economic eugenics is coming back in fashion thanks to NIMBYs that just can't stand to see the results of treating the basics to life as commodities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Absolutely correct, if they can't just pull themselves up from their own bootstraps they clearly are not worthy to be alive. Just get a job and quit drugs, that's the capitalistic dream.

Instead of gas chambers and transporting them we could just use trucks and put a hose from the exhaust to the back of the truck, way older method for less densely populated areas.

Oh and for the big cities we could establish self cleaning suicide booths.

[–] Agent641 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Anakin staring at Padme meme

[–] snekerpimp 41 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We stopped being a free country after the patriot act

[–] optissima 41 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] pdxfed 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The military industrial response to Vietnam protests and the utter unpopularity of an evil war that continues for decades and still has scars on America let alone SE Asia for me is the defining turn post WWII. Ike himself, as a general, directly stated the greatest threat to American democracy was the military industrial complex. The threats have multiplied since then.

The Atomic Cafe is a great documentary made solely with archival footage including the Ike quote above. It's chilling hearing that said 60+ years ago by a general and sitting president.

[–] fuzz00713 9 points 1 month ago

Just look up Eisenhower's speech when he left office where he warns of the Military Industrial Complex. He knew what was coming.

[–] lolrightythen 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're not wrong, but there was plenty before Reagan and more to come.

[–] optissima 3 points 1 month ago

Oh absolutely, it started as a shithole, how could it not end as one.

[–] Nobody 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn, how did I know it was Kitty History before I checked the link?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Were we ever free though?

The freedom promised by the constitution rang hollow on every enslaved person, every native, and every woman and every other marginalized group when it was written, and it still rings rather hollow now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Were we ever free though?

All men were created equal, right? Except women, PoC, queer folk, non christians, catholics (sometimes), the Irish, the bottom 99% and so on.

The freedom promised by the constitution rang hollow on every enslaved person, and every woman.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I think freedom is qualified differently here. You're free to own property. Then we "democratically" decide who and what can be owned as property based on our interpretation of the Jedi ancient texts.

/s

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Gonna risk going a bit against the grain here…

I have a lot of empathy for their situation.

I don’t know what the solution is but it isn’t the status quo. A lot of the west coast cities are having a disproportionate problem with homeless. It’s not clear if people are bussing their homeless or the housing prices or what.

The amount of trash generated by these homeless camps is nuts and ruins virtually every public space. In Portland, it is common to find hypodermic needles littered in the parks. You’ll walk past people on the sidewalk passed out with a needle in their arm or actively doing drugs. Human excrement on the sidewalk. I wish I had some solution but the current situation sucks for everyone.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 27 points 1 month ago (3 children)

A lot of the west coast cities are having a disproportionate problem with homeless.

Prices go up, rents go up, wages stay flat.

Oops! Where did all the homeless people come from?!

The amount of trash generated by these homeless camps is nuts and ruins virtually every public space.

We live in a society of disposable things, but we don't provide homeless people with trash service.

You don't see the trash you generate, because the city carts it away. Homeless people are forced to live in their own squalor because the city doesn't cart it away.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I'm with you that that is inappropriate in public, and west coast cities are being hit super hard. The dirt little secret is that many interior cities do also run their homeless out.

But the research shows the fastest, most sure fire way to reduce the problem is to just give folks a permanent address that is safe.

Every effort should be made to give these folks a home, even if that home is some sort of rapid mass manufacture box with a door that locks.

I do acknowledge that the states on the west coast shouldn't be the only ones that need to follow that approach, and there clearly isn't a solution for that. I.e. a state should be rapidly obligated to house IT'S homeless, not ALL OF AMERICA'S homeless... But that is a very complicated layer

[–] BabyVi 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It seems like any state by state solution will fall prey to states that want to displace their homeless population instead of providing attainable housing. If we lived in a reasonable society the Federal government would intervene, but no dice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Agree.

I strongly believe the federal government needs to step in, with some sort of "new deal" conservation/work corp.

As the unhoused are able, they can work for the work corp. The work corp will obviously be shit pay, but you should get basic federal healthcare, and basic housing provided. If you are unable to work, that's not a blocker to receiving this basic housing.

Anyway, we could be doing this right now, across the country, providing a safety net for so many people who are near-homeless, while also improving our country through the other projects the work corp could take on. Republicans should be happy as folks are incentivised to try to work, as their basic needs are met and they can operate from stability.

I'm just spitballing here.

[–] 1void1love 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A lot of the homeless are elderly or ill or handicapped. Many are homeless because they cannot work.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I’m with you on this. It seems like it’d have to be a coalition of states or the federal government tackling it. That seems impossible at the moment though.

I fully support whatever level of housing we can provide for folks that have the bare necessities… water, sewer, trash, and safety. Also agree that there would need to be some cap on services…. As a city could go bankrupt if the regions folks had flocked to them.

Portland had a few self regulated slightly better than tent cities that, as far as I could tell, had a pretty reasonable compromise. Not ideal… but they provided stability for folks and, if someone caused trouble or brought drugs in, they got kicked out. Better, at least, than the current situation of chaos, drugs, and trash everywhere.

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[–] Phegan 17 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Give them homes. That's the solution. It's actually that simple.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The problem is there are a lot of NIMBYs that would rather them trash their cities than hang out in their neighborhoods lowering their property value. They want the government to fix the problem, but don’t want their taxes raised to accommodate it.

The people who protect the homeless are every bit as responsible for the problem as anyone they accuse.

[–] sploosh 3 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Sorry that we don't like seeing people die because they're mentally ill and can't operate in society like the rest of us. We need an actual social safety net funded by all the wealth that society has created rather than letting robber barons take it all.

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[–] Everythingispenguins 15 points 1 month ago

They just need to go home. /s

[–] feedum_sneedson 12 points 1 month ago

Bill Hicks, who wasn't funny, said it best. The Land of the Free... if you've got the money.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

"We'll just make it illegal to be poor" is such an American take.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you tried "kill all the poor"?

[–] EvilEyedPanda 6 points 1 month ago

Yea, but then they stopped joining the military, so now we don't know what to do.

[–] Thcdenton 5 points 1 month ago (10 children)

I thought washington had good support homeless. What gives?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Def not. Seattle had a really huge explosion from the pandemic. There was the huge encampent in international district near chinatown and seattle's skid row towards 3rd st

The city hasn't really addressed the problem and are usually just sweeping it under the rug by shuffling the people around

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