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Looking for another part time job. the vast majority of these available jobs read like the creepy listing where some guy is looking for a roommate but is specifically looking for female roommates only.
Just gross.
Employer: what is your expected salary so we can offer you 10k less and then act surprised when you say no.
remember film "don't be a menace to south central" mc did right thing when applied to job, wrote in job application paper "3 mil cash", i mean, i would be good with $2990000 offer
Literally about to apply for a job that doesn't post it, even though it is a government agency and they have fixed salary brackets for each job...
My old manager was complaining about a lack of quality applicants, i pointed out the advertisements don't list the salary and she said since we're government they can just look it up. Oh well, hope you like your lousy candidates.
The even more annoying one is when the listing says "Confidential" for both the salary and the company that's hiring.
Don't even bother with those, they should be trying to sell themselves to you as a great place to work
I get it in some cases hiding the company name but in that case, the salary should be disclosed as the bare minimum.
These are usually jobs that are listed by recruitment agencies. They don't want you to know the company since then you could just apply directly to the company, and they won't get their cut.
Recruitment agencies often take a percentage of the salary, at least for the first year, as payment for referring a successful applicant. It's transparent to the jobseeker - the salary you see is after the agency's cut.
The other time I see that here in Silicon Valley is for "stealth startups" - startups that are operating quietly, out of the spotlight, and haven't yet applied for or gotten VC funding.
Nah, the ones where they list something like 20,000-250,000 for the range are worse.
I love when HR goes out of their way to let you know that the company are assholes before you apply.
My government agency when hiring all the roles in an IT team put those sort of stupid ranges in the headline, but if you drill down to a specific role you see the actual range
If they don’t list the salary, they definitely can’t afford me.
Capitalists: But we shouldn't do anything legally to affect the Free Market!
Proceeds to manipulate the Free Market
Grateful for the California law that requires every job post to include the salary range
Also from my recent experience most companies won’t agree to start you at more than 70% of that range as they want to be able to give raises before having to promote you
The last California job I applied for and got, imagine my surprise when I experienced their advertised salary range was a bold blatant lie.
I lasted 4 months there before I had a nervous breakdown. Yeah that's how I deal with difficult life experiences. Nervous breakdowns. It has served me well so far in life. I got a better job.
Theyre hoping youre desperate enough to apply anyway. There are some like that out there.
Its such a false hope when unemployment is in the 3-4% range. You just end up wasting a bunch of people's time, sifting for the one who will take the bait. In the end, it costs everyone more money so you can lie about how much salary you need to your own manager.
I love the fact that I can use this as my desktop wallpaper
They can take the time to fill out a clear job description but leave vague details about how much you earn is crazy.
I use the wage filter on Stepstone because I don't want to sift through more than 20 pages of job ads each week. Also, I'm seeing more and more companies asking for your expected salary when applying on their web page anyway. If they don't, I just put in the number at the end of my cover letter. Cuts through the bullshit.
Sure, I'm getting an order of magnitude fewer interviews this way, but on the other hand, I'm not wasting hours on dressing up and preparing myself, potentially even taking a day off and travelling out to the fucking company because they insist on meeting me in person, only to stare into blank faces after having answered the final interview question about my salary expectations.
Rather recently, when I was in sudden dire need of a job, I could not pull that shit off, obviously, but I still managed to get more than in my previous job. Then again, it turned out to be the fucking worst job I ever had, by far, so there's that, too.
I like that this is becoming increasingly illegal.
Indeed. "Competitive wage" my ass.
The competition being "who can pay the least?"
Yup. Competitive wage is a race to the bottom.
Yes, that's good, it only benefits the powerful (employers as they are in the position of power when taking money).
I think EU is drafting a delegated act (hopefully) about this.
The next stage is for info on all corp transactions to be available at least to stakeholders.
One other thing to keep in mind is that it is perfectly legal in most jurisdictions requiring pay transparency in job postings to only give a part of the pay range. Say the range is 60,000 - 100,000, they could just say 60,000 - 80,000 or whatever they're willing to hire people at.
I don't think this is necessarily wrong practice, but it's definitely potentially misleading.
Oh, no no, capitalism welcomes competition, don't'y'know.
Just as long as it doesn't mess with the profit margins.
job postings are ops
I've had the same thing happen in person a few times. Some places just won't tell you what they pay unless you can get an interview.
My current job, I asked what the pay was, they said 'you tell us what it should pay".
So I asked what the range was, and they said "thats not how this works, you tell us what you want" so I said a highish number for me at the time. They're like "ok, that works".
Turns out I make 40% less than all my co workers because I didn't know what the range was commonly for this role. Theor game let me lowball myself. It's completely BS.
That's why I always start with 1 million dollars. Then I tell them not to worry, I have wiggle room!
Let the negotiations begin!
It's law in California now.
I agree with the general sentiment, but I don't believe that it's right to wish harm upon them.
Well, sometimes wrong feels just...right.