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[–] partial_accumen 177 points 8 months ago (6 children)

There was already a case with this same fingerprint outcome a few years ago. Biometrics are not protected from seizure.

However, passcodes still are. Last time I checked you cannot be compelled to surrender your passcode locking your phone.

[–] deweydecibel 72 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

Which is also why both iPhone and Android have panic/lockdown modes.

For my android, if I rapidly tap the fingerprint reader or the power key five times in a row, it locks down and will only be unlocked with a password. I understand iPhones have this same activation method too. Different Android models might have different activations, so you'd have to check the settings.

You can also just hold the power key and shut the phone down, because it's pretty standard now that upon a reboot you have to put in the pin first before you can use fingerprint.

[–] partial_accumen 52 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Which is also why both iPhone and Android have panic modes.

When you are encountering police that would be seizing your phone in the near future, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST quickly shoving your hand in your pocket to try to lock your phone.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago

They may take our lives, but they'll never take our phones!

[–] Wrench 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Whoops. Apparently my android version has 5x power button pressed call 911.

It does require a pass code on hard power cycle though, which is what I use when going through security (when I remember)

Edit - holding power and volume down shuts the phone down

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You can also just hold the power key and shut the phone down

Not on Android 14 at least, if not 13. They moved it to your slide-down menu, hold power is the assistant these days.

You might be able to change it in settings, but that's the default.

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[–] CaptainSpaceman 50 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This is becoming a grey area.

In several states, especially where CBP is involved, there are legitimate challenges to this protetion.

Even so, biometrics SHOULD be protected under 5th amendment. The fact that it isnt seems very anti-freedom.

[–] Ultragigagigantic 28 points 8 months ago

give us your password

"I cannot recall"

Or are we not rich enough for that line?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago

Keep giving them possible passwords since you don't remember exactly what you changed it too and don't perform well under pressure.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad my passcode is 1 2 3 4 5!

They will never get that out of me!

[–] ITypeWithMyDick 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (4 children)

What happened to being secure in our documents and personal affects?

Is the constitution a joke to you?

[–] Siegfried 16 points 8 months ago

US "constitution" sounds honestly like a joke to me

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[–] A_Random_Idiot 65 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Never use biometrics to lock anything. You can be forced to push a finger to a sensor, or your head forcibly held still for a facial scan.

Only use passwords/passcords. only they are secure against this totalitarian bullshit.

They'll still put you in jail on fake charges if you refuse to give your passcode, but at least your datas safe and now your case is unlawful imprisonment instead of relying on octogenarian judges thinking its okay to force compliance with a biometric.

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[–] testfactor 54 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I feel like this has always been the case? There's not a lot of precedence to be sure, but people have been operating under that assumption for a long time.

That's why, if you need to keep the cops from looking in your phone, you should use a password. Can't be compelled to give a password.

The classic example is a safe. There's tons of court precedence that you can be compelled to give the cops a physical key to unlock it if there is one, but you can't be compelled to tell them the combo if it's a dial lock.

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[–] MapleEngineer 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't use biometrics.

Period.

Full stop.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (11 children)

Biometrics are fine, just use lockdown of you get pulled over or are going throgh TSA.

You can still activate the camera/camcoder by double tapping power on a Pixel even in lockdown.

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[–] mycathas9lives 37 points 8 months ago (1 children)

But Gym Jordan can ignore a congressional subpoena. Chyea I'm not giving my thumbprint.

[–] Sterile_Technique 36 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Is there a way to set up multiple user profiles for the same phone, activated by different prints/PINs?

Then you could have your main profile unlocked by like your ring finger print; but if you scan your thumb or index, it'll unlock basically a dummy account with some bullshit apps and contacts and nothing else.

Like the phone equivalent of a throw wallet with a few bucks and an expired credit card or two so you have something to surrender in the event of getting mugged, without losing anything of actual value.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I don't know of how to do that without visibly switching accounts, but I believe the GrapheneOS folks are prepping a "duress PIN" for the next major release. I'm not 100% sure of what it entails but could have a similar end result to what you're after

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[–] LordCrom 34 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Don't use fingerprint to unlock phone. They can force your fingerprint, but they can't force your password .... So just use a password. Problem solved

[–] workerONE 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Edit: wow pulptastic shared this gem: Power+volume up > lockdown

My original comment: Restart your phone if they ask for it. Then it will need a passcode and can't be unlocked by a fingerprint

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] jeffw 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] CeeBee 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)
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[–] Roflmasterbigpimp 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

So when comes the ruling that they can just straight up execute you without having to do the hustle of a fake investigation on themselves?

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[–] Johnmannesca 23 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Turn on pin-secured boot and shut off the phone and a fingerprint should be useless now, right? And don't the cops have a lot people's fingerprints on record? Are we just waiting for a cop with a higher than room temperature IQ to come up with a duplicating method to get in people's phones without warrant or even probable cause?

[–] mansfield 11 points 8 months ago

The initial pin that most folks have to enter is needed to decrypt the partition with user data. This is not 100% foolproof for keeping LEOs out since there are many known, and likely more unknown, ways to brute force these but it is still the best option.

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[–] unreasonabro 21 points 8 months ago

Fuck America

[–] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Luckily LineageOS and GrapheneOS have a lockdown mode (Graphene also supports disabling fingerprint for screen unlock), though rebooting your phone usually doesn't cause you to lose any work since everything autosaves as phones kill background apps to save battery and memory. Separate user profiles for situations like protests or certain contexts (preferably with some dummy data to make it not look to sus) are also useful.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (13 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago (3 children)

This is extremely dependent on what phone you're using

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[–] Reddfugee42 19 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Turn your phone off before handover. They require pin at power on, which at least at this time cannot be compelled.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Clearly we need a finger print to wipe it.

Thumb to open, middle to initiate wipe.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (16 children)

FYI for iPhone users if you run into the Fuzz and you need to lock it out of biometrics, hit the lock button five times. This will start the emergency call count down but once canceled the iPhone can only be opened via passcode. Caveat, you need to have the five press to call turned on in Settings>Emergency SOS>Call with 5 Button presses

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[–] Fedizen 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I've always wondered why phones don't have a locked dowm "guest mode" that's accessible by typing in a non admin password/pin.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

What an awful day.

[–] werefreeatlast 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Buying phones with no thumbprint would be my next priority in life. No thumbprint, no camera.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know you can just not use it, right?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I was thinking about face ID the other day. What if you trained it while making a funny face? So then you would have to make that face to unlock the phone and how could someone compel you to do so? It's sort of a 2-factor authentication in a way.

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