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A 63-hour-long marathon of GPS jamming attacks disrupted global satellite navigation systems for hundreds of aircraft flying through the Baltic region – and Russia is thought to be responsible

Russia is suspected of launching a record-breaking 63-hour-long attack on GPS signals in the Baltic region. The incident, which affected hundreds of passenger jets earlier this month, occurred amid rising tensions between Russia and the NATO military alliance more than two years since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

“We have seen an increase in GPS jamming since the start of Russia’s war against Ukraine, and allies have publicly warned that Russia has been behind GPS jamming affecting aviation and shipping,” a NATO official told New Scientist. “Russia has a track record of jamming GPS signals and has a range of capabilities for electronic warfare.”

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[–] avater 135 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (13 children)

Russia is really stretching this out, aren't they. Maybe they need some proper ass kicking to fall back in line.

At some point the west has to react.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 7 months ago (15 children)

Never mind Russia, I'd be happy with anyone making a "special military operation" on Putin's whereabouts. NATO doesn't have to fight Russia. They only need the head of the snake.

[–] avater 59 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

don't think that this will work. Russia is rotten to the core and there is always another head.

we are fighting a hydra not a snake.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Anyway, we should start at the top and work downwards. It's a waste of ammo to kill all the involuntary cannon fodder. If the top goes, Russia would have to reconstruct, however that might turn out.

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[–] Duamerthrax 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Except Putin's behavior isn't sane even by oligarch standards. Another corrupt leader would just take Putin's place, but they might not be inclined to continue with Ukraine. They could just blame it all on Putin and quietly retreat the military. It's not the best outcome, but at least Ukraine would be safe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

But doing it suddenly will create a power vacuum, which usually gets filled by the most ruthless people

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

It's not just Putin, and it's not all of Russia. The Kremlin+oligarchs are the problem.

[–] CosmicCleric 13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Humanity really needs to figure out how to handle corrupt people in power.

[–] Duamerthrax 20 points 7 months ago (6 children)

We have. It's just against the ToS on most forums.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

So let the other heads see what happens when you fuck around too much.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Like many things political, you start doing outside political killings from another country, pretty soon you can find yourself dead as a political leader. It's playground tit-for-tat rules.

Plus, unless you are prepared for a "You break it, you buy it" situation, can and always will get something worse. See: the Middle East at this moment in time.

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[–] scarabic 18 points 7 months ago

There are smart people in Russia who need better things to do. This bullshit is out of control.

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[–] [email protected] 127 points 7 months ago

"...and Russia is thought to be responsible."

Nooooooo... Russia? Really? They would neeeveeeer?

[–] deafboy 71 points 7 months ago (18 children)

Isn't that kinda pathetic? Jamming GPS is not hard, nor impressive. It's just annoying.

[–] CosmicCleric 29 points 7 months ago

Seems like a message is being sent.

I love to be a fly on the wall behind the scenes, as far as what's going on between the two sides, that they actually decided to do something as annoying as this.

[–] FlyingSquid 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

That's all they've got left after throwing all of their troops into the meat grinder.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Not all. Just too fucking many.

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[–] DontAskAboutUpdog 13 points 7 months ago

Its on par with bringing the dog out when merkel was visiting. Thats all they have.

[–] laughterlaughter 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

As if being impressive is the goal of these attacks.

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[–] jaybone 61 points 7 months ago (13 children)

How much more will we allow these assholes to get away with? When does it stop?

[–] APassenger 18 points 7 months ago (9 children)

When the West decides it's willing to risk flash dessication.

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[–] Burn_The_Right 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It stops only when they are forced to stop and not a moment sooner. Who has the will or the ability? In the U.S., conservatives are on Putin's side, so as long as conservatives have any power (like they do now), they will back him.

The EU is sounding the alarms, but only France is stepping up to the plate ready to fight. As usual, the EU will just hope France will protect the rest of them.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Guess it's time to dust off those VOR navigation skills, then..

And, as ususal, fuck Putler and his cronies.

[–] ReiRose 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

the US GPS backup

I'm assuming there's a European backup to GPS, is there?

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[–] mea_rah 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but VOR can be jammed just as easily? It's effectively just ground based GPS.

There are actually devices, that can to a certain extent resist jamming by rejecting signal coming from some direction while amplifying signal from other. Typically they amplify signal from space and reject signal from ground where the jammers would be. So in a way GPS is more resilient against jamming if you can use this device. But AFAIK they are only used for military purposes.

[–] dogslayeggs 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

That device is called a CRPA (pronounced serpa). They are very effective at anti-jam.

As far as VOR jamming, those use a VHF omni-directional antenna, so it can be jammed. It might be hard because of the omni-directional part and the numbers of them, but definitely doable.

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[–] lukeblackwell86 28 points 7 months ago

Drone pilots are going to have to learn how to fold paper maps!

[–] HootinNHollerin 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
[–] irreticent 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love this picture of Obama talking down to Putin

[–] Chee_Koala 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol, can't even see where poot poots heels end, there could be 3-4 cm of extra lift hidden under those pantaloons!

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[–] foggy 12 points 7 months ago (17 children)

Is this where the beginning g of the end of free open GPS starts?

Been wondering when we'd have to start paying for the privilege to use an encrypted private GPS service.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 7 months ago (9 children)

It wouldn’t matter against jamming though. You just need a jammer that screams louder

[–] [email protected] 49 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Yup. As long as you’re transmitting via radio waves, if something on that frequency “screams” louder, you won’t get the original signal. That’s why the FCC has strict rules against radio interference. About the only way you could get past that would be some sort of laser guided/optical communications, but would be damn near impossible given the number of planes and weather conditions.

Luckily the louder something screams the more easy it is to pinpoint.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, doesn’t matter. We pinpoint russia and then what. Sure, we can retaliate and block their comma, and radio communication doesn’t work for both of us. We can always invade, but a load of political capital is needed, and the west doesn’t exactly have the most ammo ever right now.

Finally, I think the true source is this

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"Our system is unjammable! Just make sure this laser receiver has clear line of sight with three satellites way up in geosynchronous orbit at all times."

"You're fucking with me, right?"

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If anyone died that would've been article 5. Are they nuts?

[–] madcaesar 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Russia already shot down a passenger jet and nothing happened.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's quite different than attacking directly over the airspace of NATO members.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago

Yes, but only if it can be proven it was absolutely Russia. And then it has to be proven that it was approved by their government as an official act, not just some vodka-soaked hackers somewhere in Siberia....

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Might be worth some degree of suspicion around including GLONASS as a part of GNSS. Russia could create worldwide issues if they decided to fuck around with their constellation.

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