The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
♦ ♦ ♦
Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
♦ ♦ ♦
RULES
① Real-life decorum is expected. Please don't say things only a child or a jackass would say in person.
② If you're here to support the police, you're trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They're about killing people; we're not.
④ Please don't dox or post calls for harassment, vigilantism, tar & feather attacks, etc.
Please also abide by the instance rules.
It you've been banned but don't know why, check the moderator's log. If you feel you didn't deserve it, hey, I'm new at this and maybe you're right. Send a cordial PM, for a second chance.
♦ ♦ ♦
ALLIES
• r/ACAB
♦ ♦ ♦
INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
♦ ♦ ♦
ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
Stolen airpods? The cops around here would not even look for a stolen car.
The article implies the swat team was sent due to an armed carjacking that morning. Someone got a warrant for search and seizure based on geolocation results from the airpods and they assumed the carjackers would be hanging out at this address.
It's a rental home. Nothing is mentioned about the identity of the owner of the home. After looking up the house on zillow though it's about 113k. It's a dead end street surrounded by homes that are valued under 100k. I didn't realize that federal minimum wage would be enough to pay a mortgage in 2024, but apparently it is possible. This isn't super relevant other than the fact i'm looking at buying a house near Boston and I did a double take that a home exists in this price range and isn't in a trailer park. 113k here won't even buy you a parking spot.
After looking up the address it looks like a group of juveniles were involved with the carjacking so names are impossible to find. The most bizzare thing though is that a couple hours after the carjacking the car was picked up 3.5 miles / an 8 minute drive from the house in wylin court with the suspects bailing from the car and the cops arresting them... I wonder when the swatting happened at 630pm who they thought they would find?
Fun fact, the murder rate in St Louis per capita is the 7th highest in the world, after six cities in Mexico. #1 in the US. 87.83 per 100k. https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world-by-murder-rate-per-capita/
I'm not justifying anything. I learned a lot that I never knew about St Louis MO and holy fuck is it rough.
I didn’t know that about St Louis, I went there for a conference a few years ago and mostly stayed downtown but I drove around a bit one day and it just seemed like an old Southern city. I never felt unsafe but I also lived in an old Southern city with lots of crime for a while so things outside of downtown didn’t seem much different.
There are still many places in the US where you can get a decent house in the lower 100s but they are mostly all rural.
downtown st louis is actually pretty nice. i wouldn't recommend too many places in the south, but st louis seemed kinda nice.
Likely someone locally influential's business got hit. They're not here to protect your car, theyre here to keep the status quo for the rich.
Cops have, from their very foundation, been about protecting the money and the people who have it.
Swat must have gotten new military hardware they wanted to play with.
good god, i hope they win the hell out of that SWAT team.
Swat teams have no business being involved in a property crime case of any sort. Law and order my ass.
That's the trick, don't present it as a property crime...
"The SWAT team was looking for guns and other material related to a carjacking that had occurred that morning."
SWAT teams shouldn’t exist. Just a bunch of cops cosplaying the military.
Swat teams definitely have their place, but they should be the only cops carrying guns.
They won't. Police have qualified immunity. At best taxpayers pony up, but even that is unlikely.
This is both true and awful - we, the tax payers, just paid an inept SWAT Team to cosplay doing what is essentially a military operation, to the cost of either one completely innocent family getting their house and lives fucked over or all of us paying a bunch of money to fix what they broke.
What a fucking system. St. Louis is dangerous, but not so much that they need to fucking rush in a SWAT Team without good intel. I hope these bastards at least get their toys and privileges taken away… but bringing charges against anyone responsible - I have no hopes that will happen.
Judge who signed off on this warrant should be disbarred and charged with unreasonable use of force and liable in the civil suit.
We don't know what information they were provided.
Whoever owned those headphones must have had money to get the police to mobilize a swat team and blast down a fucking door.
Or the SWAT team was bored and looking for an excuse to wreck shit
They'd only do that in a poor neighborhood. less outrage from the public and less chance for lawsuits.
JFC reading this it’s literally that fucking gif.
Air pods are what, like $200?
Slightly misleading headline - the SWAT team used the "find my" network to locate the airpods, which had been in a car that had been stolen in (they imply) an armed carjacking. The carjackers then drove through the street the Shamilys live on and threw the airpods out the window (again it is implied but not stated that the airpods were found in the street outside the Shamily home where they landed).
So... yeah. Even calling this "circumstantial evidence" is stretching this to the absolute limit. Presumably someone in the family has an apple device on the findmy network, which would show the Shamily home as the location of the airpods (since the device was in the home, but the airpods it was detecting in the vicinity were decidedly not).
Somehow, st. louis' finest didnt stop to think about... well, anything apparently. This is fucking absurd. I hope their lawyers eviscerate the cops over this one.
Air pods: $200
Drywall repair: $400
New front door: $700
Being Swatted: Priceless
For everything else, there's masterrace card.
"Don't worry if you max out your limit on racism, we will cover for you!"
... also I doubt they use black cards for their top tier clients. Only white. And as I understand things over there, orange racists cards are being more widely accepted too, but will surely have higher interest payments.
What a fucked world us humans manage to create, truly limitless.
What in the actual fuck? They sent swat in for a pair of AirPods. SWAT!
A pair of AirPods and what lawyers say was some shoddy police work resulted in an innocent middle-class Ferguson family having their front door smashed in by the St. Louis County SWAT team last May.
No, they were located in a stolen car, and their tracking location was used as PC for a warrant.
Still insane, corrupt, and shameful - just marginally better than having busted out the SWAT entirely for the lost pods.
Did they think they were going to find the AirPods in the stolen car in the drop ceiling?
I think someone in the department had a grudge against that family, or more likely, a general disdain for that neighborhood.
Then they brought their weak ass phoney PC to a friendly judge, and smashed the fuck out of that family's home, before they went home and beat their wives and girlfriends for not having a hot dinner ready.
Very close to Ferguson.
Jesus fucking christ, the pigs just do not learn! There was absolutely no fucking cause for this level of force and terror, and whoever signed off on the warrant and use of SWAT force on the basis of airpod tracking location is a fucking moron. Each and every person involved should lose their job and damages should be paid from the police pension fund. Maybe then the cops would learn to use some goddamn restraint and common sense. I'm so tired of stories like this.
Find out where cops live, steal airpods, toss them in the general vicinity...
To understand why this particular case necessitated the use of such force, we must delve into the disturbingly plausible sequence of events that could arise from such a seemingly inconsequential event.
Firstly, the tracking capabilities provided by Apple's Find My feature led authorities to believe that the stolen AirPods were located within Shamily's residence. This, in turn, led to the assumption that there might be some connection between the family and the carjacking perpetrators. A potential link between the family and the criminal organization behind the carjacking meant they could possess highly sensitive information or have access to deadly weaponry.
Now, let's imagine the following scenario: if the SWAT team hadn't raided Shamily's house and seized any potentially harmful materials, it would have allowed the criminals involved in the carjacking to continue their operations unchecked. This, in turn, would enable them to carry out more successful crimes and amass greater resources. Eventually, they might acquire nuclear technology or develop other advanced weapon systems.
The newly fortified carjacking ring would then target vital military bases and steal missiles, eventually launching a full-scale global war. In the midst of the chaos, one rogue general, seeking to protect his homeland at all costs, would order the launch of every single intercontinental ballistic missile he had under his command. Retaliation from other nations' militaries would follow suit, resulting in a mutual assured destruction scenario where nuclear fallout envelopes our world.
Don't give them any ideas
Exact opposite of Canadian policing.
My friend:
My motorcycle was stolen
I know who took it
I know where it is
Here's a photo of my motorcycle sitting in his yard
Police:
We don't care! Gotta go, we just got a report of a driver not wearing a seatbelt
Maybe there's some sort of middle ground where the police could actually fight crime without a ton of collateral damage.
Launching an investigation requires a lot of work and paperwork.
Arresting someone already doing something illegal is convenient.
US cops are lazy unless it's shooting an unarmed person of color.
Maybe there’s some sort of middle ground where the police could actually fight crime without a ton of collateral damage.
Now you're just talking crazy talk!
"If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear."
Anne frank had something to hide
Her best selling journal!! (Among other things that is)
So much wrong with these raids, it's completely ridiculous. The cherry on top though, is how unapologetic they appear to be about the whole affair. From the article:
"The day after the errant raid, Briscoe emailed one of the detectives inquiring about the department repairing his broken door. The detective agreed the county would fix it for them.
A few months later, the door still busted, the family’s landlord fixed it instead."
FTP.
Please be security minded and at the very least use SFTP if you're going that route.
Fine, I'll use protection. As long as the protection involves sandpaper and Tabasco sauce for their displeasure. 😁