Warl0k3

I think that's just a mean rumor the Gentoo devs started to get back at the Debian devs for that incident with the penguin fursuit...

Oh I'm very much aware of the good he did - part of my job was managing the data for his family reunification efforts, to correct the damage trump did last time. He's fucking wrong about Palestine and that's horrifying, and he also did a whole fuckload of positive things for the US. But, critically, nobody actually cares. Nothing he did was glamorous enough to outshine that one debate performance where he had a cold, and the republicans have been so effective in poisoning fucking everything they touch that even the people who know about the positive things he did don't care enough to turn up and vote.

It's depressing as fuck, really. If you're a good, but not flashy, president, it doesn't matter. You have to be a fucking showman, otherwise you're a milquetoast failure in the eyes of the nation.

This assumes a progressive candidate would win, though. Given this last election, I don't think that's a particularly safe bet to make. Honestly, I don't think that anyone on the left could have won, following Biden. People were so disgusted with his performance they elected trump again, for fucks sake.

(Apologies, that was poorly worded on my part - I just meant that this is the view you hold, and people don't (okay, rarely) hold opinions that they don't think are the correct opinions to hold.)

It's sadly all too easy to present someone being excluded because of said odious opinions as the exclude-er only being comfortable in a friendly echo chamber. And unfortunately I don't know that I have a solution to that! But to further further the discussion: I so intensely do not understand how a person who can look past the tens of millions of deaths that Mao is directly responsible for, that I don't actually know why there are any people that can forgive him. I suppose claiming they just believe the propaganda would be the easy answer, or maybe it's that they were on the winning side so the innate human tendency towards tribalism is to blame. Anyone who can look past the atrocities he was responsible for isn't someone I want to understand better.

Nnno, I think the 'screaming' part was far more relevant than the 'it was all nonsense' bit

How many people go looking up mod logs?

Apparently at least one...?

I understand you think this is the clearly the correct view to hold, and I do (sincerely) understand why you'd hold this opinion. On the surface, treating everyone with uniform fairness until you've heard out their argument is clearly the magnanimous way to do things. But this is the fundamental issue of the Paradox of Tolerance - shutting down a conversation with a partner who espouses views like the above Hypothetical Stramandian isn't "retreating to a bubble of like-minded opinions", it's refusing to treat with someone who's opinions are so fundamentally offensive to a peaceful ethos, so personally disgusting, that they absolutely should face social consequences for the opinions they hold.

"Always be polite" as a policy doesn't work in the face of so very many political views or odious personal opinions because the lack of negative reaction can easily be recontextualized as positive reinforcement.

Dude the modlog is public, we can just go look and see that they were screaming nonsense about Trump being 'unfairly' blamed for everything. It ain't exactly mods powertripping.

Not all discourse is intended to be (or even should be) civil, though. A hypothetical citizen of Strawmanslund who venerates Mao Zedong as a hero and visionary, who holds the position that his successes more than make up for his failures, is not a person I want to be laboring under the misapprehension that I could ever respect them.

Right on, buddy! Logic nerds forever! Screw those "pathos" and "ethos" thingies, what possible use could they be? We, the high and mighty logicians, know that Logos is the only one that matters! Appeal to logos or appeal to death, amirite??

(Just to be clear here, this is a pretty nerdy website. If you're going to pose an argument like this, you should make sure it's sound before throwing down the "bruh do u even see how educated I am" gauntlet...)

This is a ridiculous position to hold. Can you name me a single appellation that isn't used to summarize those thus described? That's kind of the point of using labels, to categorize things together by their common attribute(s). If we spent all of our time engaging with every single person to the point that we fully understood their perspective and worldview, not only would we never get anything done, we'd be utterly at the mercy of anyone who engages in bad faith.

"Tankies are biased towards China and against the US" isn't a strawman, it's part of the core definition of what makes someone a tankie. This is pretty valid criticism of a group with really inconsistently applied values (though it is, perhaps understandably, a little bit smug)

This is such deluded patriotism it should be coming from an american.

Russia wouldn't invade "Europe", they would invade, say, Moldova (which is their actual plan). Is Germany going to commit troops to defend Moldovian soil? They aren't for Ukraine. What about the UK? France? Will they send their vaunted jets and soldiers? There's material being given to Ukraine, and intelligence, and all kinds of backroom advice, and how much of it will stop once Trump takes us out of NATO? Can europe pick up the slack? Are you going to rally together and strike Russia to stop them building up, or will the russian backed neofascist parties that are on the rise in every country seize power before you have the chance?

You should be really, really worried, because the odds are that your country spends less than 2% of it's GDP on it's military. How long do you think that you're going to be able to hold out against Russia, alone, with that?