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    [–] db2 126 points 9 months ago (6 children)
    [–] rtxn 116 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    Some sort of hidden, concealed, clandestine internal QoS implementation in Windows. Reserving a portion of network bandwidth for high priority traffic sounds like a good concept, but I don't like the fact that this is so hidden (I've been working with computers for many years and I've never heard of it until now), and that the mechanism to determine the priority of a packet is unknown.

    [–] [email protected] 75 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    We know windows spyware traffic have the top priority.

    [–] rtxn 58 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I love shitting on Windows as much as anyone, but that is a completely baseless, fictitious accusation. And if not, give me a credible source.

    If anything, I'd keep spyware traffic as low-profile as reasonable in Microsoft's place.

    [–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I tend to agree.

    Nevertheless, some unknown implementation can have bugs and things can go wrong and there's nothing you can do about it, short of "rebooting" or d̷o̶w̸s̸i̷n̴g̸ ̴t̶h̸e̷ ̸h̵a̵r̵d̷ ̵d̷r̶i̴v̶e̷ ̵w̶i̴t̸h̷ ̸̞̺͠h̵̺͙̎̍o̸͔͠ͅḻ̷̀̇y̵͚͍̎ ̷͉̅̅w̸͎̔a̷̧̫̒́t̶̼̉̓ę̵̾͗r̶̫͑͑ ̴̣̿͒(̷͙̎a̸̬̺͝͝n̸̞̓̓d̴̬͌̍ ̸͇͕͌͝s̷̡̯̓͝u̸̡̳̇͝b̴̳͜͠s̷͍̘̽ë̵̜q̷̝͐̄ȕ̵̞̐e̷̲̠̐́ń̴̨̙͝t̸̛̬͝l̶̮̔͠y̴͕̪̑͝ ̵̖̆ḃ̴̪̟u̶̢͓͑̌y̵̜̤͌̏i̵̦̋ň̴̨͚̀g̸͓͑ ̴͍̬̽à̶͜ ̴͇͔̓n̴̬͂͜ì̷̢̛̯c̴̤̖̈́e̶̼̫̐̊ ̵̹̏͝f̸̙̀̑r̷̪̩͆͆e̸̤̫͛͋s̷̢̙̏h̷͇͔́ ̸̭̆͝N̷̰͗͛͜V̶͇͒̚M̸̟̍͜ě̷̛̟ ̸̢̞́͝a̷͙͔͒͒n̷̻͇͝d̸̘̥͌̾ ̴̜͓͑p̷̬͑͊ŭ̸̮̏t̸̲̀t̴̡͚̽í̶͎͓̑n̴͕̘̒̈́g̴͓̰̓͝ ̵͓̎a̴̻̼͗ ̷̦̍̈́s̷̥̅̈l̴̝̂e̴̞̅͊ḛ̴̊̅k̷͚̕ ̵̛̼̬͗D̴̻̾̽e̵̙͂̊b̷̝͘ī̵̢͇ą̵̂n̴͖̑ ̶̼̚h̴̼͂͑e̷̲͆̆a̵̡̋d̸̢͔̈l̶͕̍̍e̸̛͕̙̒s̶̞͔̀͠s̸̯͖̕ ̵͍̦̈́̉ ̸̨̨̓i̸̙͖͗̌ņ̶̯̍s̸̡̖͗̇ṯ̷́̒ä̵̦́̎l̶̼̄l̵̨͊̊ ̴̳͑͗ó̵͎̅ǹ̴͈̚ ̷͖͊͝i̷̠͇̊t̷̼̞͒͘)̵͎̤̔͌

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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago

    It's not, and in a vacuum I don't think anyone would mind. It is the fact that it is concealed that is really shitty.

    "It reserves bandwidth for high-priority tasks such as Windows Update over other tasks that compete for internet bandwidth, like streaming a movie"

    As much as I'd like to keep my system up to date (and I really do), if I'm watching a movie then that is my priority. Any task I'm currently using the bandwidth on, should be considered my system's priority. This is akin to rebooting the computer when it determines it is necessary, with the user having little control to stop it; it's intend isn't malicious, and it is meant to protect the user, but all it achieves is upsetting the user and make us find ways around it or turn it off completely.

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    [–] gmtom 106 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    I mean that only matters for people like us.

    99.99% of the Windows user base doesn't give the tiniest semblance of a shit about any of that. Hell I run Windows on my gaming pc still and have never had cause to do any of that.

    [–] [email protected] 96 points 9 months ago (2 children)
    what if you wanted to show a presentation
    but windows said new-upgrade-UI
    [–] NateNate60 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

    I'm going to be honest with you, as often as this has been memed and for as long as I have been using Windows on my work computer, I have never once been forced to restart on the spot by an automatic update.

    I'm sure those who have will be quick to reply but at this point I'm 90% confident it's a loud minority.

    [–] rtxn 65 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    I've seen an entire factory shut down for hours because two critical Win10 computers tried and failed to update. It's never an issue until it becomes one.

    Plus a failed update is the whole reason I nuked my C: drive and switched to Manjaro (now running Arch, put down the pitchforks).

    [–] NateNate60 31 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Well, running Windows 10, a consumer user-oriented operating system, to control mission-critical machines is mistake number 1.

    This wouldn't have happened if they had used Windows Server or something actually designed for that task (like Linux!).

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    [–] pHr34kY 75 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    20 years ago, a friend said "Windows does whatever you don't tell it not to do". It is as true now as it was then.

    90% of configuring Windows is disabling shit.

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    [–] [email protected] 73 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    I am currently dual booting and trying to get feature parity in my Linux install as a reletave newbie.

    So far the largest hurdle I've been able to solve was getting my RAID array recognized. That sent me down a rabbit hole.

    To get it working in Linux I needed to:

    • switch from LMDE to Mint proper
    • add a PPA repository
    • install the RAID driver
    • manually edit my grub config file to ignore AHCI
    • run a command to apply the change
    • reboot
    • format the volume

    To get it working in Windows I needed to:

    • format the volume(Windows gave me a popup with a single button to do this on login)
    [–] [email protected] 54 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You'd normally use a software raid implementation these days, and Linux has a number of those. But yeah, dual booting can expose some quirks and filesystems and disk setup in general is one of the most prominent.

    [–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    This. How an advanced use case is accomplished is not a point against a system's usability.

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    [–] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    I mean, you don't HAVE to do any of that stuff in Windows, it's just helps a bit.

    I'm sure there are plenty of windows horror stories. But almost every Windows computer I've had in the last decade, both custom and OEM, has worked pretty well out of the box. And almost every Ubuntu computer I've had over the last decade has had problems that weren't trivial to fix.

    I like Linux, but when people compare these problems like they're the same just are missing the point.

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    [–] Crashumbc 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    The reality is, for 98% plus of windows users, NONE of that matters. MS could give a shit about tech. nerds that want to de-bloat, reduce resources, install crazy niche thingyawidget....

    Pretty much everyone in this community is not their target.

    Car analogy! You are car guys running custom block modified street racers shitting on electric cars...

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    [–] [email protected] 51 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)

    Reminder that Group Policy settings are disabled in home versions, and even some of the registry entries for updates are missing. To get a full package of windows with all the options you have to pay like $400 to $600 for their LTSC or maybe some of their Enterprise versions. Honestly, if anybody pirates Windows, then definitely pirate the LTSC.

    [–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think many dual booters actually pay for Windows licenses.

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    [–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    "Windows Reserved Bandwidth" is just a QoS Packet Scheduler. The Linux Kernel has this too. Equally difficult to disable on any system, because its assumed you will want to be able to download a file and surf the web at the same time. You can turn it off I guess, if quality of service isn't your vibe.

    [–] SpermGoobler 29 points 9 months ago

    It's always funny seeing users doing their cargo cult dances when troubleshooting stuff

    Shocked Pikachu face when other stuff starts breaking because you 'optimised' 500 settings

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    [–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    Windows: Cannot print because error.

    User: What error?

    Windows: What error?

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    [–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Learning Linux is learning how to use a computer.
    Learning Windows is learning how to avoid big companies will when you want to use your computer.

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    [–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Windows and Linux are both easy to use... Provided that everything works out of the box.

    Once you have to actually start solving problems, Windows really starts to fall down because you have to spend ages looking through settings and perhaps installing tools like bcd editors. Like seriously, the number of places you can manage your microphone settings are insane.

    At this point, I think the only people that say Windows is easier are those that have never had to reinstall it or who have been using it since the XP days and haven't realised that it is all learned knowledge.

    I certainly think Linux tooling could be improved (a graphical fstab editor would be nice), but I struggle to see how troubleshooting in Windows is any easier than Linux.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Linux applications often give you some descriptive error that you can paste into an internet search and usually find someone who had the same problem.

    Windows applications just stop working and say "UNEXPECTED ERROR" or smth. Like thanks you literally didn't help at all.

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    [–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

    Me: Can you please just not change the UI?
    Microsoft: now you need to expand the right click menu to access your most used actions.
    Me: what?
    Microsoft: and we replaced all the cpl and msc files, so now you can't use the old settings interfaces.
    Me: wait!
    Microsoft: and ALL the new settings uses edge webviewer, so if you manage to remove edge you've fucked your install up
    Me: sounds terrible, surely I can just reinstall edge
    Microsoft: you can try but all links to edge on our website are just links that launches edge, because you can't remove it - so why provide an installer?
    Me: do you expect me to die?
    Microsoft: no Mr User, we expect you to cry! Muwhahahaha

    [–] hactar42 22 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Microsoft in 1995: Let's put the start button at the lower left. So people can always find it.

    Microsoft in 2012: Start button is gone, but you can still click the lower left, like you have been for 17 years.

    Microsoft in 2013: Fine have your button back since everyone is so used to clicking on it.

    Microsoft in 2021: Let's make the start button move around every time you open and close anything.

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    [–] linearchaos 37 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Meme's not wrong and I daily Linux, but how we got here is all that crap on the bottom has a pretty low chance of leaving you bricked and getting back from bricking windows is usually marginally trivial. The same people get lost in Linux, don't read warnings, do stupid shit without thinking then spend forever trying to muddle through how to fix it. Mr. LTT did it himself.

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    [–] Cringe2793 36 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Windows is easy to use if you don't care about privacy.

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    [–] SloppyPuppy 31 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    As a linux user and developer and someone who works with linux servers all day for 20 years.

    Yes linux is complicated.

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    [–] art 31 points 9 months ago (24 children)

    I know instantly how to get the packages I need in Linux but I had to do some research to enable the webcam in Windows 10.

    The idea that one OS is easier than the other is misattributed familiarity.

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    [–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

    Unpopular opinion: The Windows Registry, a centralized, strongly typed key:value database for application settings, is actually superior to hundreds of individual dotfiles, each one written in its own janky customized DSL, with its own idea of where it should live in the file system, etc.

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    [–] Linkerbaan 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (13 children)

    OP never watched the LTT Linux video

    Edit: for people that also haven't watched it: Linus tried to use Pop-OS for gaming. When he tried to install Steam it uninstalled his desktop-environment leaving him with only a terminal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0506yDSgU7M

    [–] KpntAutismus 35 points 9 months ago (23 children)

    it did warn him to be fair. he had to type out "yes, do as i say", which is a HUGE red flag. even to me, a farely casual windows user.

    [–] Darrell_Winfield 25 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Just watched that portion. When he scrolls down to "yes do as I say" you can literally see two lines above it stating it will remove desktop environment.

    Outputs exist for a reason, folks.

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    [–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This is the exact reason I'm finally done with Windows. Customization and troubleshooting have become a nightmare since they started gi try and become more like Apple

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    [–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    I recently discovered, after a while of wondering why the audio quality in windows was worse than fedora that the automatic windows audio enhancements actually made the audio significantly worse 😅 meanwhile I still haven't figured out how to stop windows from randomly switching the audio source from my headphones to my nonexistent display monitor audio.

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    [–] CrowAirbrush 24 points 9 months ago (33 children)

    The longer i spend on lemmy the more curious i become about running linux.

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    [–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

    Linux: You can mostly stick to the GUI to install software, touch the terminal for obscure/command line applications and install GPU drivers and you have a functioning system

    Windows: Forced to go into regedit and services.msc to fix high resource usage on a fresh install, debloat scripts to remove bloat on Windows and need to update system, scower the internet for drivers and all the software you need

    I can see why I got fed up very fast trying to use Windows 11 in QEMU tbh...never trying that shitshow again...

    Edit the only packages I had to install through Bash are: Neofetch, Htop, OpenSeeFace, Brave Browser, Wine, Nvidia drivers and ProtonVPN. Linux is very user friendly imo

    [–] Feathercrown 27 points 9 months ago

    7 packages from the command line isn't that many, but you're failing to account for the fact that to most Windows users, the amount they'll realistically install is 0, both because they don't know how to use the command line and because they don't know what to install. See also: https://xkcd.com/2501/

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    [–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    A big hurdle in any technological change is the "power users". People that have learned a lot about the old tech and have to face that knowledge becoming obsolete. And then having to learn a bunch of new things.

    The same goes for Windows power users as people who know a lot about fossil fuel powered cars.

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    [–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You right click the candy crush icon and press remove.

    Whotf does the other two things?

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    [–] Kushan 22 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    It's not exactly a fair comparison, the tweaks in the bottom panel aren't necessary for most users to do, yet a new user to Linux will need to get over a learning curve to do fairly basic tasks.

    My litmus test for when Linux will be "ready" is can you do everything you need to do without using the terminal. So far I've yet to see a distribution that has achieved this.

    The closest thing I've seen is SteamOS.

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    I set up Linux Mint for my parents a few months ago. Never touched the terminal, everything was done in Mint's UI; the initial installation, Timeshift setup, theme customizing, app installations for Spotify, OnlyOffice, VLC, and Chrome, automatic updates, printer and scanner setup.

    Butter smooth so far.

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    [–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

    windows sucks ass for this exact reason but linux is definitely complicated and filled with weird bugs as well lol. i guess those bugs are better than spyware though

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