This is a new satire site, right? These days it's getting harder and harder to differentiate between reality and fiction in tech. The rest of their posts are pretty much spot on.
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Reality in Canada.
It’s a good thing that Engineer is a protected profession and not everyone can claim it, like Lawyer or Doctor.
In the US now it’s “oh you’re an engineer? Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?”
I disagree, I believe the regulatory agencies do nothing in Canada to legitimize their claim to regulating software development. Heck, they do nothing for electronics or semiconductors or anything smaller than the power grid.
Software development is done by developers. If you are a software engineer chances are you’re working on software infrastructure that actually apply at scales that are not “add a shopping cart to this blog”.
There are reasons you ask a civil engineer for work.
You missed my point that if professional engineering societies in Canada want to take ownership of software and electronics, they better do something and not just say they're regulating it and sit on it with no clear definition for what it even is.
If they were doing their job, we wouldn't need to debate what a software engineer is. They've let us down and they're getting away with it.
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You can be web dev with an engineering degree
The name of the website is a play on the satire website the onion, it's satire.
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Funny enough, I probably did more software engineering as a web dev than I did as a software engineer at some companies.
In the UK, at least, the only difference typically between a web developer and a software engineer is £15-20k in salary. Frankly, we're all software engineers...
What are dev/engineer salaries like in the UK? Been considering places to move to...
About half of the equivalent in the US, often less. It's exceedingly rare to make 100k here even in a senior position, although it does exist. Median is 40-50k (pounds, so times that by 1.2 for USD).
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The only real software engineer anymore is Linus Torvalds, everyone else stands on the shoulders of giants.
Are you doing that thing where you troll by saying something really stupid and wait for others to correct you?
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they should also ban web developers who refer to themselves as ninjas, especially code ninjas
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can we ban web developers who call themselves "developers"?
also php programmers who call themselves anything?
Nah, no need for this kind of gatekeeping. Anyone who deals with js and its billions of frameworks on a daily basis deserves to be called a developer.
Agreed.
We also deserve to be called, every so often, to see how we're doing.
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Do you even know why you hate PHP?
For me, it was this
https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-real-escape-string.php
Note that that hasn't existed in PHP for years.
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I'm a full-stack web developer and am involved all the way through including cloud infrastructure, API development, database creation/maintenance, test automation, architecture etc.
I guess what makes a "developer" in your context different? Embedded? Kernel?
Only those who code in the same language as I am can be called developers. Everyone else is just an impostor and their technology doesn't matter! Real programmers use my language of choice
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Just like my $variables I can be anything I want. Deal with it! 🫳🎤
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I mean who cares? But also why? My old job title was "software engineer" and I just did web dev.
it's satire
I mean, engineering is really problem solving, and not do we web developers solve problems. We may have made most of them ourselves, and new ones when we solve those, but we do solve problems.
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As a non-software engineer, feels weird that they're making this distinction.
I don't have much to do with engines either.
I take engineer to mean: designs stuff that does some task, involving SOME kind of calculation.
Visual designer: not an engineer
Piping designer: not an engineer (although this one felt weird, that's what the piping designer corrected me to say, so)
Chemical engineer: ya
Mechanical engineer: yeah
Software engineer: totally different flavour, but still yeah
Language is what we want it to be.
Web designers presumably still need to script things, I reckon that counts 👍
Now this is the kind of 'news' I'd like to see posted on hackernews just to read their techbro shit takes.
I perused the comments and didn't see anyone mention this. The term "engineer" is regulated by every state in the US. I doubt they had Tinder in mind, but calling yourself an "engineer" without having a Professional Engineer license is illegal, at least when it comes to offering professional engineering services. It's a protected title so that schools and bridges don't get built by scammers--at least that was the intention. I can legally call myself an Engineer!
Just go get your license, and you should be golden lol.
I get this is satire but people truly believe this. Web devs literally create software that runs nearly every facet of modern life.
@LinearArray Deleted Tinder around a week ago.
It used to be really good back in 2012-2014 but not anymore I think.
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What if my job title says that? Who's going to tell my employer they're wrong.
Then again, "full stack software engineer" as a title might also well just be buzzwords.
!And yes, I know the site is satire lol.!<
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