It is seriously past time to have another serious Linux OS compete with Android.
this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2024
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Fr this crap has been corporatized long enough. Haven't seen anything great since android 7 and 8.
Not to mention the dalvik runs like a joke by modern standards. Really underutilizing modern hardware by running everything in locked down ultra battery saver java.
I wish even some Chinese company would fund a big OS project given that they have the resources and market where Google can't effectively compete.
Been nothing but reskins and useless forks for a while now.
It's not just about saving battery. Phone chips are fast but they lack appropriate cooling and overheat real fast if you try to take advantage of that performance for more tham a moment.
Yeah except Apple has been doing just fine with swift and proper app pausing for years.
~~Everything~~ App elements in android reset whenever you swap apps for more than a few minutes. Even all the default gapps do this. They can't seem to hold a context menu open or keep a page loaded when in the background because apparently these elements don't get saved.
I think the only thing on my phone that has stayed consistent is Firefox, and I can only assume it's because they hacked their way around this by having its own custom saved state since it's a browser.
We're not bottlenecked so hard for storage or memory anymore, there's really no need to keep enforcing this select feature saved state default.
Android already uses zram and yet OEMs are still shipping with an additional swap switch because these java apps eat an atrocious amount of memory.
I can load a fully decked out compiz desktop with a 3D transparent cube and every window animation imaginable and the ram stays at 1.6 GB. Yet android struggles to stay under 2 at idle on a 2d homescreen.
Everyone in this thread please checkout LineageOS or GrapheneOS or Calyx or similar degoogled android based. Cut yourself free from the Google cancer
If only those worked on more devices. They're great, but severely limit what phone you can buy if you want to use them.
Also losing camera quality and banking apps/NFC payment sucks. Absolutely not the fault of LineageOS though, they're doing the best they can within the constraints.
Banking apps seem to be hit and miss, though fortunately mostly hit. I've read stories, but personally never had any trouble with them. Sometimes they complain about the lack of gapps shit but somehow still work.
Thank you for saying this. I feel like there's so much goddamn fear-mongering about this from people that have never tried it.
I've been running Lineage for years across 3 different phones, the banking apps worked fine
No fear-mongering here, I ran LineageOS for years as a daily driver and these were the problems I encountered. Your mileage may vary.
Agreed 1000% I cannot STAND my pixel 7 series but I suffer through it
Yea. The only Pixels affordable new are the ones that are already out of support :( And they're huge, I need to be able to use a phone with one hand!
I wish Google made their equivalent of Iphone SE - smaller in size and price.
There's a larger problem though, Google both owns and controls AOSP. Of course, chances of them making it closed or introducing their proprietary services into it are extremely small, but they still are the captain who steers the ship.
If they'll decide to embed AI (in some open source form), many derivatives like Graphene and LOS may have to suck it and follow through as the more you change your fork away from source code, the harder it becomes to maintain for small team of enthusiast devs.
I don't need AI in my f*ing phone! It's just a phone, FFS!
Who uses their phone to be just a phone these days?
I’d say the phone part is the least used of my phone.
I never use the phone part of my personal pocket computer.
Raises hand — my phone is primarily for communicating with other people. When I want a computer, I have my desktop for that, or if it's too big to take with me then I'll have my laptop.
The only other thing it's commonly used for is music/podcasts. And once a week or so I'll take a photo.
Sure, I don't make as many voice calls as I used to, but text communication counts if you ask me - cell phones have had that feature since 1992.
If it's "just a phone", it's not running Android. No Android that I ever heard of is "just a phone".
What I meant is that I use it just as a phone (a bit more useful yes).
Calls, sms/messages/emails, music and some pictures rarely.
That's it.
Then you can save a lot of money next time and buy something like a Nokia 2760. It does all of those for like $30.
I think I’d like it
Honestly the worst part of my phone is the phone itself.
Dropped calls, bad audio, spam.
It's more of a texting/camera/notepad for me
Can't wait to see it randomly eat a lot of my battery, because the AI package decided to calculate something. Oh and those gigabyte of storage just being hooked by the OS for nothing. Also that constant data fishing for "security" or convince and totally not for surveillance.
People forget that there's still a huge difference if multiple company have different data, without context or data with a whole profile, all at once, all analyzed on the fly and compared to other people. You know why they want that? You can basically predict the future at this point. We don't even need to vote anymore, if they know everything about you. The danger of data emerges by its consolidation. This is very critical to understand.
It doesn't even matter if I personally switch to a degoogled phone, if 99,9999% of the people don't. I might as well not do the effort.
I'm in the 99,9999%
Never before has "genius" needed to be in quotes more than in the headline
Wake me up when it's as useful as Google Now. Not that it will, like assistant it'll get dropped and Google will move onto the next shiny thing before it does.
I've never used an iPhone, been a die hard android user since the beginning, but I might switch because of this. I don't care about AI and don't want it on my phone.
You are going to need to go with something other then apple if you don't want it in your phone. All thier plans are around adding it.
I feel your pain as I'm in the same bind.
Most of Apple’s AI will run on device and not online, so that’s something.
Yeah I suppose they would hop on as well. The idea that my experience would be tailored according to unknown algorithm and agenda kind of scares me.
Looks like Android devices are your future because you can put a different ROM on it and avoid the issues (potentially)
I haven't dabbled with that stuff for years, but I could go back to that as well I suppose.
I just keep getting happier and happier with my choice to use GrapheneOS.
Lmao I have ad free YouTube, twitch, and reddit. Not giving that up because I'm scared of an app
They just want to kill my battery.
Ask it which is better Android or iOS so it can take a weird middle ground for no reason.