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Boy injured in Osteen church shooting lost ‘portion of his frontal lobe’ (www.theguardian.com)

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Samuel Moreno-Carranza, age seven, was injured after his mother fired a rifle inside church and police responded, killing her

A boy who was shot in the head at celebrity pastor Joel Osteen’s Houston megachurch on 11 February has lost “a portion of his frontal lobe” while recovering at the hospital, according to his grandmother.

In a Facebook post three days after the shooting, Walli Carranza said her seven-year-old grandson, Samuel Moreno-Carranza, “has lost a major part of what makes us who we are” after “half of his right skull [had] to be surgically removed during two surgeries done in less than 24 hours”. Samuel had endured “cardiac arrest multiple times, and no one can determine whether he has significant brain activity because his scalp tissue is too friable” to let doctors attach electroencephalogram wires to him, Carranza added in a post that doubled as a criticism of the US’s lack of meaningful gun control.

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[–] [email protected] 237 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Wow the article worked really really really hard not to tell you it was the police who shot the boy. It wasn't until near the last 2/3 of the report, and lookit:

Samuel – whose mother had brought him to the church – was struck in the head during the exchange of gunfire that killed Moreno. A 57-year-old man was also hit, in the hip.

It appears the only people injured in this were shot by the two off-duty officers. I'm not even saying those two are in the wrong, but i have a real problem with the way its reported here

[–] [email protected] 60 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I have questions about how necessary it was to fire at the woman in the first place.

•if she's in an empty lobby with her and her son, and two security officers, could they not have tried to negotiate and get the kid away first?

•Did security actually see "materials consistant with manufacturing explosives" inside her trenchcoat before firing, or is that something they alleged after they shot a 7yo in the head. There were no explosives found on her body or at home.

I know it's hard to judge these situations, but I feel like there could have been a resolution where the kid doesn't sacrificed by everyone involved.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The police opened fire after the mother did. It is notoriously difficult to negotiate with someone who is actively shooting - aside from needing absolutely every target to be in excellent cover, you have to make yourself heard over the gunfire.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago

How many rounds did the child fire before taking a police bullet to the brain?

[–] sugarfree 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I have questions about how necessary it was to fire at the woman in the first place.

You don't believe the police should engage in gunfights with active shooters? Are you perhaps a member of the Uvalde Police Department?

[–] StereoTrespasser 1 points 9 months ago

Lemmy users try really hard to blame cops for everything.

[–] Tier1BuildABear 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Shit, I thought it was the nother - edit: mother, how the fuck did autocorrect get that

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Have they said how many rounds the woman was able to get off before she was killed? I'm starting to wonder if the answer is 0.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I had to look around for any mention of it but i did finally find this.

Wearing a trench coat and backpack, she entered the converted sports arena between church services and opened fire in a hallway with an AR-platform rifle, Hassig said. One federal law enforcement source told CNN she fired around 30 bullets. (emphasis mine)

Two off-duty officers were at the church: a 28-year-old Houston Police Department officer and a 38-year-old agent with the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission, both with less than five years of service. The two officers engaged the shooter and she was fatally hit, the police chief said.

Source: CNN

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[–] Stamets 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

"Guns aren't the problem."

They're a pretty massive part of it. Abolish the second amendment.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (4 children)

"But how are we going to defend ourselves against all the other people with guns?"

The US is messed up.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's it right here.

As a person of color, removing the second amendment affects us more. Gun control was considered when the Black Panthers armed themselves. During the more chaotic weeks of BLM protests, armed protesters were the reason cops behaved.

We would need a thanos-level snap to change - from cops, to people's minds - everywhere all at once.

But while cops are killing dogs, shooting shoplifters in the back of the head, and emptying their gun when they hear an acorn fall... Disenfranchised communities will be the most affected by this.

[–] Stamets 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't see a single helpful point in your comment though. It all reads like "Things are bad but if you try to make things better they might get worse for a bit so don't do that."

Gun control IS THE ANSWER. Will there be shitty consequences? Yes. But I feel like shitty consequences for a few years while national identity is changed is a lot better than the status quo where the hallways of elementary schools are painted red with blood every other week.

Turbulence and turmoil for a time as people sort their shit out or endless dead kids and endless mass shootings? Kind of a no brainer.

[–] Son_of_dad 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love Americans who think their guns are gonna protect them against the u.s government, who could shoot a guided drone up their asshole and make it look like an accident, before they even knew what hit them

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I think there is the gun owners who absolutely fantasize they can hold off a trained army with their guns with Rambo. But thats a minority.

The real gun mindset is, "If you're going to do it, I'll make it difficult for you". This is a key shift here. It's the mindset that "there is going to always be thieves, crazies, rapists, house burglars... I'd rather own a gun and protect myself rather than wait for help."

Most of the world doesn't think like that. They laugh at Americans. But this is our American gun culture.

We don't trust cops (Uvalde school shooting just being the recent example). And I'm not saying any of this is right. But when one side believes they can use guns to threaten the opposition (BLM protests, abortion clinics), suddenly when both sides are armed, it's suddenly a "peaceful event". During those proud boy protests and Nazi protests, when armed liberals told them to fuck off... They did. But if it was unarmed townsfolk, they laughed. And worse, the cops either ignored them or put up a barrier to protect them.

Again, not saying this is the world I prefer - not by a long shot. But I want to break that whole opinion that gun owners only want to defend against "da gubberment".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

There's also just a general lack of trust in other people in the US. Not just the government. People always have to walk around looking over their shoulders. It's not like that in other developed countries. The guns play into that. In the US, you just never know if someone's going to be armed. In most other countries, it's pretty safe to assume that people are unarmed.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 9 months ago

I dunno coast guard?

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (20 children)

So the good guys with the guns may have shot and killed a 7 year old? Great argument to justify not doing anything resembling gun control.

On another note, Houston has an excellent Medical Center and I wish the little boy the best of luck. How awful for the entire family.

[–] Kbobabob 26 points 9 months ago

The ,"good guys with guns" shoot and kill a lot of Innocent people.

[–] Son_of_dad 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it crazy to begin with that Texas's churches have armed guards? Shouldn't Jesus protect them?

[–] werefreeatlast 1 points 9 months ago

With enough prayers 🙏 anything is possible right? Right?

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[–] FlyingSquid 31 points 9 months ago

That's also true about a lot of non-shot members of Osteen's church.

Poor kid though. He didn't deserve any of what he got.

[–] Dkarma 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

...from Joel's sermons.

[–] JustZ 1 points 9 months ago

Right. Are we sure he had it when he came in?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

His Mom was a murderous terrorist supporter, he was fucked before he ever stepped foot into the Church. Poor kid. Hope he gets quality care for the rest of his life.

[–] PoliticalAgitator 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He won't and may already be functionally dead. The chance to save any of these people evaporated a long time ago. It was deemed "not profitable".

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And yet, it was the cops that shot him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Hey, next time maybe don't bring your kid along when you plan on doing terrorist things while supporting a fucking terrorist organization.

Sucks for the kid, but this is mom's fault all the way down the line. I say that as a strong acab believer too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

A small price to pay so that the NRA can earn more money.

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