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[-] 9point6 182 points 2 weeks ago

loses brain function

can feel pain

X to doubt

[-] [email protected] 87 points 2 weeks ago

The person who posted this is a solid example of such a case

[-] son_named_bort 19 points 2 weeks ago

That would imply they had brain function to begin with.

[-] saltesc 37 points 2 weeks ago

I'm more on this part...

becomes unconscious

I have 9 surgeries in my life and I'm wondering how hollow I am now.

[-] thesporkeffect 13 points 2 weeks ago

Just thwack yourself with a mallet in a few places and listen for an echo. Simple as

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[-] [email protected] 99 points 2 weeks ago

I hate BS like this. And yes I’m biased because I got a double lung transplant. There are so many myths about organ donation. You basically have to have no brain activity and be stable.

[-] Naja_Kaouthia 35 points 2 weeks ago

That’s awesome. My niece passed away several years ago waiting on lungs to become available (CF). Everyone in the family is an organ donor now. If we’re not using them might as well give someone else a shot.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

Well that person has no brain activity but they're also unstable so that's an issue

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[-] adj16 87 points 2 weeks ago

What I really don’t get with these sort of theories is: If something as unethical and outlandish as harvesting organs from a healthy, living person were occurring like this, you really think they’re going to look at a little checkbox on your driver’s license and be like “ah dang no permission for evil today, guess this fucker gets to live”

[-] [email protected] 48 points 2 weeks ago

It's the same with SovCits. They think the entire world is a vast conspiracy to generate wealth from their existence and hide it from them, but the people who run the thing can't just ignore their specifically worded letter.

[-] frostysauce 10 points 2 weeks ago

At least they're half right.

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[-] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago

The gold standard to declare brain death is nuclear medicine scan of brain blood circulation. This is done in addition to bedside brain death testing and even EEG if the family wants it all. We fucking KNOW if a patient has cerebral blood flow or not. This person is ridiculously incorrect.

[-] [email protected] 57 points 2 weeks ago

The author knows this is true because that's how their brain got removed. 🙄

[-] superfes 37 points 2 weeks ago

If I'm so injured they're not sure I'll make it, but they can save someone else with my organs, please do that.

Yeesh.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

I think it's more like, so injured that you won't make it. If it was a coin flip for someone's survival, then it would be basically murder to take someone's organs.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

The original news article has since been archived, but there was a horrifying case in 2007 where EMS in my hometown arrived at an accident for which they were unprepared because dispatch had mislabeled it as low-speed crash. There were 4 occupants in the vehicle, and, according to the fired EMT's family, the front passenger was so badly injured that pieces of her brain were on the dashboard and she was unresponsive. The ill-equipped team worked to get the other three occupants out of the car and get them to the hospital and ended up assumed that someone on the crew had taken the presumed-dead passenger's pulse.

As a result, a tarp was thrown over her body and she was taken away to the morgue where the coroner eventually discovered that she'd died due to her injuries rather than upon impact. All four of the emergency responders faced disciplinary action and I believe the family of the deceased won a lawsuit against the city.

The bottom line, and to your point, there are very strict guidelines and a lot of red tape before you get to say someone is "close enough to dead" to start carving out their organs.

[-] blanketswithsmallpox 11 points 2 weeks ago

Hood said the four paramedics were in the 21st hour of a 24-hour shift that began the previous day.

The ridiculous way we run 24 hour emergency services across the world is beyond dumb. How we get away with making EMS, Fire, and Healthcare work 12-24 hour shifts is beyond me.

10 hours is already stretching it with police (unions OP) or other professions like Security.

Yeah, non-police can sleep if they're in a suburb. Until I see data that people running 24 hour shifts vs running classic 1/2/3rd shifts is better on their health, I'm forever going to doubt.

Alas, there's no chance we're mandating no working 2nd and 3rd shifts until we're practically in a utopia already. The secret toll it takes on people is criminal without proper pay.

After 22 years, researchers found that the women who worked on rotating night shifts for more than five years were up to 11% more likely to have died early compared to those who never worked these shifts. In fact, those working for more than 15 years on rotating night shifts had a 38% higher risk of dying from heart disease than nurses who only worked during the day. Surprisingly, rotating night shifts were also linked to a 25% higher risk of dying from lung cancer and 33% greater risk of colon cancer death. The increased risk of lung cancer could be attributed to a higher rate of smoking among night shift workers, says Schernhammer.

https://time.com/3657434/night-work-early-death/

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[-] captainlezbian 11 points 2 weeks ago

What is an hour of agony while I’m already suffering and dying to added years of reduced pain to someone who isn’t dying anymore. I don’t know what all I owe my fellow humans, but I know they deserve that.

[-] TexasDrunk 10 points 2 weeks ago

I ride motorcycles. When I was young I heard them referred to as "organ donation machines" because Texas doesn't have a helmet law and in any kind of real crash you're gonna be at least braindead (I do wear a helmet now, but didn't in my misspent youth).

They were trying to talk me out of riding. All they really did was convince me to register as a donor.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago

Why are there so many people with the desire to make up stupid fantasy stories? This is an obvious example, somebody had to invent this, and write it down, and it's a guarantee that a few idiots will pick this up and run with it, they'll repost it to multiple places, they'll add their own fantasy elements to it to make it even worse, and they too will find an audience.

It's painful to watch how much good is being destroyed by these assholes.

Is it just a snowflake in need of attention issue? Is it a mental disorder issue? It causes way too much damage in our society

[-] Illuminostro 12 points 2 weeks ago

Narcissism. They want to feel they know something you don't, and they want attention for saying it.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago

You know, that's exactly right. When I had to have heart surgery, they put me out. In fact, I asked the doc if they could sedate me early cause I was anxious, and he said sure. I woke up with no heart, not eyes, no liver, you get it. How I've been able to survive since is a fucking miracle. I'm like a living zombie.

Give me back my organs, gubment!

These people are hilarious except for the part where they vote.

[-] NutellaIs4Lvrs 25 points 2 weeks ago

I’m not sure about other states, but the one I live in usually requires two brain death tests at least 6 hours apart and by different MDs that have to be credentialed to perform brain death testing. They also have(and usually perform) an apnea test where they turn the ventilator off for a set period of time and see if the patient initiates any breathes on their own as well as measuring blood gases before and after the procedure. Finally, they often use an injected nucleotide to measure blood flow to the brain, taking multiple images of several angles to confirm that there is no blood flowing to the brain.

If the person was on any paralytics, they have to be cleared from the system before testing can begin as well as all labs such as sodium, potassium, etc. and body temperature must be within normal parameters to begin.

If all those things are confirmed, the person is legally declared dead with an official time of death and only then can the legal next of kin be approached for organ donation.

Basically, this person is bonkers(as we all know) and organ donation is highly regulated.

[-] gedaliyah 21 points 2 weeks ago

In a very rigid sense of being composed living tissue, yes - you are alive during organ donation in most cases. In the sense of being a human being or really even an organism... less so.

If I cut off my arm, the tissue would continue to metabolize for a few minutes (?) but I wouldn't exactly argue for its right to vote.

[-] cultsuperstar 21 points 2 weeks ago

Conspiracy theorists never have conspiracy theories against people and things they like lol.

Also, I hope whoever took the screenshot got their food from Uber Eats and the driver didn't fuck them over.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

But who hates organ donors? It's a strange kind of insanity.

[-] Seleni 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Religious nutters, for one. They believe that when Christ has his Second Coming he will resurrect everyone who has ever died, but only if all their organs and stuff are intact and in place. So organ donation is just a conspiracy by Satan to keep everyone from being gloriously resurrected.

I honestly wonder what they think their bodies will look like a couple decades after they die. Do they think that, because they were ‘good little Christians’, their bodies will be staying as fresh as when they were interred?

Or maybe their ‘all-powerful’ God can only restore their organs from dust if that dust is in the right spot?

[-] brygphilomena 9 points 2 weeks ago

They're all screwed. You really need to remove them and place them in jars filled with salt. He can't restore you if you don't preserve them.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Ah shit what if you had your gall bladder removed. Or you receive a transplant, do you become like an ogre with two heads

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

Well, he ain't completely wrong.

The "no brain activity" is based on trust that the doctor in question knows what the hell they're talking about and doesn't have a reason to lie, so it's usually recommended to get multiple independent opinions to avoid the possibility of malpractice.

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

And there have been reports of partial resistance to anaesthetics where patients were paralyzed/partially unconscious, yet felt the pain of operations.

Organ donation is the right thing to do when you're certain to die. However, as proven by the Alabama prison system recently, where there's profit to be made, abuse is the norm, not the exception.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

This bit of evidence doesn't really support the overarching theory. Since the 1980s there have been only a couple dozen of these incidents, and they for the most part always have one common denominator, the affected persons being very old.

It can be harder to accurately find the pulse and other life signs on the elderly, and people aren't as likely to really search for signs of life on someone who looks as fragile as a terminally ill elderly patient.

The vast majority of transplants are from young healthy people who were involved in traumatic accidents, and thus wouldn't really be subject to the Lazarus effect.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

People have been declared legally dead, only to wake up at various points past it, such as the morgue, during autopsy, in the casket without an autopsy, already buried.

Recently?

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

During this process their heart rate and blood pressure increase substantially.

Ok, but by how much? I'm a registered organ donor and am now concerned that, as I lay paralyzed and semi-conscious with no brain activity while my organs are butchered out of me, the nurse is then gonna be like, "oh no, his heart rate and blood pressure is increasing substantially!"

See, if you're gonna tear my organs out of me in my nightmare state, I want it to be a challenge! You gotta be fast and precise before my blood pressure and pulse explosively increase and I blow out cascades of blood, turning into a sanguineous Water Wiggle. It's gotta be like a game of Perfection that you either harvest everything in time, or my body explodes.

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[-] michaelmrose 17 points 2 weeks ago

To plays devil's advocate there are inconsistent standards of what constitutes dead many established decades ago and whereas some folks are obviously by any standard a potato others including by standards they themselves elect are defunct in ways that we understand far less eg not able to initiate breathing on their own or not capable of regaining consciousnesses. Due to our lack of complete understanding there have been cases in which people were taken off the ventilator to die and spontaneously started breathing. EG our original analysis was obviously incomplete.

What is experienced if anything by those near or even post official death is also an interesting open question. Experiments involving flooding pig heads dead for > 1 hour with oxygenated liquid have shown some sign of electrical activity in cells for instance. We don't even know what the subjective experience of people being operated on really is other than obviously NORMALLY they don't consciously form memories or have control of their faculties.

All of that said organ transplants save so many lives and it is a voluntary process. If you have any concerns whatsoever you ought to think hard about it and make your wishes expressly known rather than blanket shutting the door on saving those lives. I am an organ donor. I have faith in my family to make intelligent decisions if I'm not able to make them.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

I've worked in ERs before and am somewhat familiar with the process they use for determining brain death. There was a child that came in with catastrophic brain damage, and the process to determine that the child was in a permanent vegetative state was quite extensive. There were multiple evaluation by neurologists and neurosurgeons via MRI and EEG over the course of multiple days to verify a lack of brain function. It's not something that is determined in the moment. The decision made in the ER is whether or not the organs will be donated because it can make some differences in the life-support care during the brain death determination process.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

NORMALLY they don’t consciously form memories or have control of their faculties

And remember, those two states (not being able to form memories AND not having control of faculties) can be, and sometimes are, two different drugs. It's why you have the horror stories of people remembering waking up on the surgery table, but being unable to move.

[-] cygon 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The author just didn't think of the right target group :D

This has all the hallmarks of a good "Creepypasta" story. It's based on something real, then inserts just a quantum of bullshit that would turn a good and real thing into a living nightmare.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

So is there any evidence of that insane claim, or...?

[-] zwaetschgeraeuber 12 points 2 weeks ago

The elite is deleting all evidence, but he saw a youtube video from a random guy. That should be proof enough

[-] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

No doctor whistleblowers or families of victims or anything. No effort at all.

[-] JustZ 14 points 2 weeks ago

Verified user.

What a joke that system is.

If had magic wand, everyone would have a single internet login, tied to their real identity. They can still post anonymously, but then it has to be anonymous, no username, no clout.

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[-] DrDominate 14 points 2 weeks ago

Just enterfaining this insane theory. Surely a spike in heart rate and blood pressure would be short lived as a substantial loss of blood right? At what point would there be no more pain from shock? Shortly after a major organ is removed? Anyway, where do people come up with these crazy theories...

[-] EdibleFriend 13 points 2 weeks ago

why tho. he doesn't get into the why

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

Somebody during the French revolution was interested in whether the guillotined heads would respond in some way, so he called them by name. Some did.

[-] Anticorp 9 points 2 weeks ago

I read that to be extra cruel, they'd pick the severed head up and show it the body. That way if you remained conscious for a little while after your head is cut off, the last thing you'll see is the horror of your headless body.

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