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[–] [email protected] 140 points 6 months ago (3 children)

And this is why I like Androids feature that automatically revokes permissions after a certain timeframe of not using an app

[–] [email protected] 85 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Except from Google of course, the worst offender of privacy that exists.

They put all these "privacy" features in so other companies can't do what Google already does.

If you ever tried using a Google phone without Google apps, you realize how completely dependent almost all apps are on Googles API in the background, and most of them won't work without it.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I am actually using a degoogled phone, and the only thing I'm missing are push notifications, for one single app. Everything else I use works just fine for me, but as always, ymmv

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It was a while since I tried it now. I used Cyanogenmod before, quite a few years back. But camera was bad with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah, the default lineage cam today can't do a whole lot either

[–] Cossty 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Signal? microG works great for push notifications

[–] seedd 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You don't need thay either. Signal has its own thing, so does whatsapp. And if you use molly, it supports unifiedpush.

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[–] Wizard_Pope 13 points 6 months ago (11 children)

I am using lineage os without google and don't really have any problems. There is an open source alternative for most big apps and if you want to use youtube or something you can just use it in browser or install microG that is basically google services without google.

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[–] AVengefulAxolotl 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah its so freaking sad. It could be such an awesome platform (in some sense it already is) but of course Google has to put their greedy little fingers on it.

The worst part is that it has tons of literal bloatware. I tried ArrowOS without GApps on a Xiaomi Redmi Note 4, and it was fast while sparing the battery! It had the original battery and I couldnt believe that it could last 2 days easily with light usage.

Then I tried PixysOS and damn, 3GB of RAM was barely enough.

[–] TheRealKuni 38 points 6 months ago (4 children)

iOS will sometimes ask you even if the app has been using it (for certain permissions), and might even tell you how often the app has used it. Which is really handy.

Like, “this app has accessed your location from the background 48 times in the last month, you gave it permission, would you like to change it to ‘when using’?” Or “This app has had full access to your photos, would you like to limit it?” (Not exact wording, but you get the idea.)

Something that delighted me when I discovered it.

(Android does permissions very well too, I’m in no way trying to knock it.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

With the last update, Android also started limiting apps' access to photos on a per-photo basis. Not even Google Lens (which I use to copy text from slides) can see all my photos. (Don't get me wrong, though: I'm not naive enough to believe Google can't see my photos at all.)

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[–] rsuri 79 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I've done this on a simple timer app I developed.

Why? Because I want the timer to stop automatically during a phone call. To do this I need to request READ_PHONE_STATE (which bafflingly tells the user the permission is to "make and manage phone calls"). Unfortunately, there's no way to alter the permission request to tell the user (at least in Android) why you want the permission. They really need to make the permissions more granular and provide some way for devs to communicate what the permission is for.

[–] rob_t_firefly 52 points 6 months ago

This is why, on the occasion of necessary permissions not being set, a lot of apps nowadays have a popup which tells the user something like "you need to grant permission for X because it actually lets this app do legitimate thing Y" like you just told us, with a button to click over to do the permissions grab and trigger the OS popup.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Obviously, the calculator app needs camera permission for scanning complex formulas that would otherwise require lengthy manual input and calculating them automatically.

[–] tahoe 14 points 6 months ago

I mean, you can download one in 10 seconds if you really need one (or use Spotlight)

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 38 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The app I use to write notes needs access to everyone in my Contacts. For "reasons".

[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 months ago

Stop using that app and find a different one.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Friendly reminder to my Android peeps that https://f-droid.org/ rocks!

I think I open up the google play store like twice a year.

[–] MaxVoltage 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Had to get a Gallery app from there last week

gstore idea of gallery app is ads in your stolen pictures

[–] greencactus 12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Seriously, is that how far we came?

laughs in LineageOS

But seriously folks, you can survive without Google Play Store. While it definitely is sometimes not easy and there are obstacles put in your way, after a certain time you learn to accommodate. And I have a peace of mind knowing that no one is selling my pictures to data foraging companies God knows where.

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[–] Emerald 6 points 6 months ago

I open F-Droid like every week just to know what's new. Found some cool apps that way. I'll drop some recommendations here:

Thumb-Key

Quasseldroid

QRAlarm

Audile

[–] LifeOfChance 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You know what's also annoying AF? The number of apps that keep asking permissions when you open then. Doesn't matter how many times you say no.

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[–] Maco1969 34 points 6 months ago (7 children)

At least you've got a calculator app, ipads have never had one. Kind of ironic for a device that has more processing power than 1970's supercomputers.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (2 children)

more processing power than 1970's supercomputers.

Doesn't every computer and computer-like device for the last couple decades or more? Or is that the joke?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The joke is that ipads don't have a calculator despite having plenty of computing power

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Isn't it better though? You can install it if you want.

[–] Maco1969 39 points 6 months ago (6 children)

It's just odd, anything ever made with a user interface since the 80's has had a calculator app. Apple just remove features and charge more for something that is inherently similar to everything else they've ever done.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Apple just remove features and charge more for something that is inherently similar to everything else they've ever done.

Ah, the joys of walled garden consumer electronics!

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You can use the search bar for quick calculations. That doesn’t escuses Apple from adding an calculator app on iPad! Most calculator apps have ads or are paid

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

I feel like most people nowadays are just typing math calculations into their search engine. Which obviously also has massive privacy implications.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. If a search engine knows you didn't know 5x(30/47)^2 they might be able to derive your SSN from that information.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Once upon a time I wrote an IRC chat bot for my friends and I that could do calculations and convert units (metric -> imperial) with a command.

My friends were impressed that I included units like furloughs, leagues and bushels.

My chatbot was just googling their request and returning the result (which, handily, was done by the google engine itself and was very easy to extract with Beautiful Soup in python). This was 15+ years ago.

This doesn't really have anything to do with your reply, just a fun memory I guess

[–] Kase 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which obviously also has massive privacy implications.

How so? I don't know much about this stuff lol

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm mainly concerned with people using it for calculating things personal to them, finances/taxes comes to mind first. While the search engine may not know with certainty what the numbers represent, they have so much data on you that they could very well start inferring what those numbers are to add to your profile. For example if you suddenly do a ton of calculations in the days leading up to when taxes are due and all the numbers have two decimal places, it would be a pretty big hint to them. Or if you always do budget calculations on the days you get paid, they might be able to recognize that pattern and work out when your payday is and what your income, expenses, and savings are. And they definitely have AI to make these inferences for them so they can do it for every single user. IDK I might just be paranoid though.

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[–] ohlaph 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is one of the many reasons I built my own weather application for Android. Too much crap out there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Are you willing too share? Been looking for a good weather app.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

On F Droid lots of beautiful ones. Breezy, Prognoza, Rain, and more.

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[–] answersplease77 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It also wants to access your location and nearby devices and wifi

[–] psud 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Weather wants your location so you can get weather for where you are

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago

Well yeah. So it can look at its work on the paper.

You weren't expecting your calculator app to do all that math in its head, were you?

[–] aluminium 12 points 6 months ago

iPads : I'm once again asking you to download a calculator app from the app store

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Oh don't worry, there will be a reason.

[–] fne8w2ah 9 points 6 months ago

F-Droid ftw!

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