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You ever see a dog that's got its leash tangled the long way round a table leg, and it just cannot grasp what the problem is or how to fix it? It can see all the components laid out in front of it, but it's never going to make the connection.

Obviously some dog breeds are smarter than others, ditto individual dogs - but you get the concept.

Is there an equivalent for humans? What ridiculously simple concept would have aliens facetentacling as they see us stumble around and utterly fail to reason about it?

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[–] PrinceWith999Enemies 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I remember sitting in on a briefing from the Biosphere folks when they reached out for collaborating institutions. One of the things that stuck with me was that they discovered that trees that were not subject to wind failed to develop a healthy trunk and tended to fall over and die. That’s not something that the researchers had even thought of.

I suspect that there’s going to be a lot of that.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Interesting! Plus, that’s exactly the sort of weird, unanticipated thing I’m talking about. How do you plan for everything? You can’t.

The first human colonists (who are just ordinary people) won’t be the rich. They’ll be desperate people who are sold a dream of the future and treated as human lab rats.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can I ask what year that was? We've known that greenhoused cuttings need an oscillating fan in order be able to hold themselves upright once they start to gain height for the 30 years that I've been growing that way. It's like a little work out for them.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It would have been something like 2005 or so. It may have been a known fact at the time, but they mentioned specifically that they were caught by surprise by the phenomenon. I didn’t fault them for it - the whole project was kind of a mess. I’m a biologist and I wasn’t aware of that, so it wouldn’t have occurred to me, either.

That’s weird though. You’d think they would have had multiple botanists on the design team who could have pointed that out.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter 6 points 1 year ago

I'm sure it was just that no one realized it would scale to trees, since that hadn't been done before. As far as I know you don't have to do anything special in that regard with small seed-grown plants in a green house, only cuttings that root from stems, and so have weaker roots at first and stalks that were previously branches. I'm sorry I sounded critical, I was just curious.

[–] LesserAbe 2 points 1 year ago

Also there's that documentary where the group that organized it was kind of cult adjacent. They weren't scientists first. Still very interesting and impressive they did what they did.