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Watch carefully when you hear and see coverage about this. The people Israel had were "prisoners" while the people hamas had were "hostages."
This kind of subtle reframing of words happens all the time.
CBS Nightly News had a story that talked about the 150% increase (don't quote me on the actual percentage) in antisemitism acts, but anti Muslim sentiments were just "on the rise."
It's a double standard depending on who they're talking about.
The one that I saw was early on, after Hamas attacked, the news reported the number of deaths from “the Hamas invasion”. After that, when Israel retaliated and started killing Palestinians, the news was reporting “the total number killed since the beginning of the Hamas invasion”. They lumped all of the deaths from both sides together and framed it as if they were all attributed to Hamas, even though Israel had killed several times as many people by that point.
Would Hamas have attacked Israel if Palestinians hadn't been subjected to atrocities for decades?
Hamas is not Palestinian resistance. Hamas stockpiles food, water, and medicine while the Palestinians starve, and they seize aid meant for them -- the EU had a project to improve water infrastructure in Palestine. Hamas dismantled the whole thing after they left to use as weapons.
If you need any more confirmation, note that Hamas leadership is a bunch of rich moguls living it up in the UAE.
We can support Palestine while decrying Hamas and recognizing them as a second blight on the innocent people.
Always has been, always.
Also note that holding hostages is an international war crime, while keeping prisoners is not. I've regularly noticed this language choice on NPR (a public radio station in the US).
Well ya. The Palestinians being released have been convicted of stabbing people. The Israelis were ripped from their homes.
This isn't an even swap, this is hostages for prisoners. Framing as a hostage exchange is dishonest entirely.
How were you able to type this out without becoming self-conscious?
They stabbed people in Israel where stabbing people is against the law.
Is that more clear? Are you trying to say stabbing Israelis is ok? Cuz you might want to be careful about advocating for violence against the civilian public. That typically doesn't end well.
No they stabbed people in West Bank.
Maybe. Because the Israeli courts routinely over charge and convict Palestinians on little to no evidence.
Considering two of the released murdered an Israeli last week, it looks like Israel is doing the right thing protecting their citizens from the clear terrorist threat at their door step. You can claim they're over charging people...while some of those people are refusing to leave as part of an exchange as we saw this week so even the crooks know that sentencing is light.
A. You got a source for that?
B. Out of how many released again?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/shooting-attack-jerusalem-wounds-least-6-ambulance-service-2023-11-30/
Should have kept them locked up quite clearly. Should probably lock up more garbage that's roaming around with weapons after that.
So they were jailed previously. Not necessarily released in the hostage exchange. And they're still two out of how many?
Yes. They were jailed and should have been kept there. Out of how many? Clearly not enough based on the events of the past few months.
Right. You're just going in circles to avoid the blinding truth here.
Eh, singling out a heterogeneous group of people and advocating for them to be attacked/killed for the actions of a part of that group is so far along the path of fascism as to be indistinguishable from the far right in Israel. Don't succumb to the dark side Luke.
Doesn’t being a prisoner imply they committed some sort of crime and that’s why they are being held whereas a hostage is someone who was living life minding their own business and are now being held. Another lemming pointed out that many of the Palestinian prisoner were being held without charge but not necessarily that they did nothing wrong - sounds like it could be abused but doesn’t automatically mean it is (probably at times though).
As for the “double standard” from news reporting you’ve made big assumptions. News outlets use words to sensationalise and bend truths all the time but this works both ways. Without know the number for anti Muslim sentiment you can’t know. If anti Muslim sentiment had risen by 12% it wouldn’t be a big conspiracy to suggest that it was “on the rise” whereas a number like 150% is worth reporting especially in comparison to antimuslim if sentiment was only 12%.
I’m not saying a double standard doesn’t exist I’m just saying you might have confirmation bias in these examples.
It implies a justice system with double standards convicted them. Americans who lived through Jim Crow can tell you exactly what that means for the legitimacy of that system.
It sounds shit tbh. I suppose I’m likening it to the people in Guantanamo bay who were never charged but held there (I’m not comparing those people to Palestinians only the legal situation). As wrong as the whole thing was I do believe some of the people there were terrible people and wanted to or did cause real harm to innocent people. The same goes for the Palestinians being held, not all though and it’s very bad to think of the ones being treated unfairly. I’m pointing out some of those people are being treated fairly
Considering two of the people who committed the recent murders in Jerusalem were released detainees, it really does prove that the detention is warranted at least in some cases.
Many of the "prisoners" haven't been charged with a crime, which disputes their prisoner status.
Most of the "hostages" are foreign settlers in disputed territory, which at a minimum disputes their civilian status.
Ohh yeah. Media lives to throw details into the bin in order to drive a narrative. I think it would take a soldier familiar with the rules on prisoners of war digging for information to realize that Hamas really tried to abide by those rules for their "hostages". It is however still a very decentralized organization and they can't enforce such things as well as a professional military.
You fully made that up to fit your narrative.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/29/middleeast/palestinian-prisoners-israeli-judicial-system-west-bank-mime-intl/index.html
Most of the Palestinian prisoners hadn't even been charged, much less received any trial.
The article states:
Which doesn’t do it justice. Majority could be a little more than half.
CNN’s Nima Elbagir apparently went through the list published by the Israeli government and found that 80% of them were held without anything substantial listed behind their names (40s mark).
Except the abducted civilians part
Pfahahaha, I guess decorum is all you need to get away with abusing peoples human rights.
Took civilians to a court, you say? For what? The crime of being Palestinians in the wrong place where they could be held conveniently stockpiled for later exchange? You did say they were just civilians, no? What sort of court is this? The hostage court?
Why do you support terrorists so hard? Just why?
Who said I support Hamas? I’m supporting Palestinian civilians to not get fucked over. Don’t change the subject.
Yup, all these statements are accurate truths, that's why those words are being used. Israel is releasing prisoners while Hamas is returning hostages.
Oh so now you're starting to catch on to mainstream media's blatant twisting of bullshit to fit their narrative?
Please don't tell me it's just because you're finally seeing something you disagree with in the news...
They've been doing this to conservatives for years. But just now you see it ...
Pretty sure conservatives have been doing it to themselves by being bat shit insane recently and considering fox news is most conservatives holy Grail and is the most deceptive, lying piece of propaganda out there, its a bit funny to hear you say conservative voices are being shut down or twisted
That’s why I only watch Fox News. They don’t twist the narrative of conservatives. /s
You guys are lost. 🤡
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