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[–] RGB3x3 158 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Watch carefully when you hear and see coverage about this. The people Israel had were "prisoners" while the people hamas had were "hostages."

This kind of subtle reframing of words happens all the time.

CBS Nightly News had a story that talked about the 150% increase (don't quote me on the actual percentage) in antisemitism acts, but anti Muslim sentiments were just "on the rise."

It's a double standard depending on who they're talking about.

[–] bowser1035 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The one that I saw was early on, after Hamas attacked, the news reported the number of deaths from “the Hamas invasion”. After that, when Israel retaliated and started killing Palestinians, the news was reporting “the total number killed since the beginning of the Hamas invasion”. They lumped all of the deaths from both sides together and framed it as if they were all attributed to Hamas, even though Israel had killed several times as many people by that point.

[–] Kbobabob 31 points 1 year ago

It's a double standard depending on who they're talking about.

Always has been, always.

[–] tamal3 6 points 1 year ago

Also note that holding hostages is an international war crime, while keeping prisoners is not. I've regularly noticed this language choice on NPR (a public radio station in the US).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well ya. The Palestinians being released have been convicted of stabbing people. The Israelis were ripped from their homes.

This isn't an even swap, this is hostages for prisoners. Framing as a hostage exchange is dishonest entirely.

[–] Maggoty 3 points 1 year ago

Ohh yeah. Media lives to throw details into the bin in order to drive a narrative. I think it would take a soldier familiar with the rules on prisoners of war digging for information to realize that Hamas really tried to abide by those rules for their "hostages". It is however still a very decentralized organization and they can't enforce such things as well as a professional military.

[–] SuckMyWang 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Doesn’t being a prisoner imply they committed some sort of crime and that’s why they are being held whereas a hostage is someone who was living life minding their own business and are now being held. Another lemming pointed out that many of the Palestinian prisoner were being held without charge but not necessarily that they did nothing wrong - sounds like it could be abused but doesn’t automatically mean it is (probably at times though).

As for the “double standard” from news reporting you’ve made big assumptions. News outlets use words to sensationalise and bend truths all the time but this works both ways. Without know the number for anti Muslim sentiment you can’t know. If anti Muslim sentiment had risen by 12% it wouldn’t be a big conspiracy to suggest that it was “on the rise” whereas a number like 150% is worth reporting especially in comparison to antimuslim if sentiment was only 12%.

I’m not saying a double standard doesn’t exist I’m just saying you might have confirmation bias in these examples.

[–] Maggoty 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It implies a justice system with double standards convicted them. Americans who lived through Jim Crow can tell you exactly what that means for the legitimacy of that system.

[–] SuckMyWang 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds shit tbh. I suppose I’m likening it to the people in Guantanamo bay who were never charged but held there (I’m not comparing those people to Palestinians only the legal situation). As wrong as the whole thing was I do believe some of the people there were terrible people and wanted to or did cause real harm to innocent people. The same goes for the Palestinians being held, not all though and it’s very bad to think of the ones being treated unfairly. I’m pointing out some of those people are being treated fairly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Considering two of the people who committed the recent murders in Jerusalem were released detainees, it really does prove that the detention is warranted at least in some cases.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Many of the "prisoners" haven't been charged with a crime, which disputes their prisoner status.

Most of the "hostages" are foreign settlers in disputed territory, which at a minimum disputes their civilian status.

[–] DoomBot5 -5 points 1 year ago

Yup, all these statements are accurate truths, that's why those words are being used. Israel is releasing prisoners while Hamas is returning hostages.