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Rightwingers started making a bunch of noise. And AB immediately caved to them. Making the vast majority of everyone else not want to buy their products either.
If they stayed on course the drop probably wouldn't happen. Instead they managed to piss of the majority of Americans on both sides.
I wonder what percentage of people who would be put off by Budweiser caving to bigots so quickly would actually regularly drink Budweiser in the first place?
Have you seen the way those hipsters guzzle PBR? Do you really think it tastes any better than Budweiser? Image is EVERYTHING when you're selling cheap beer. Budweiser could have cemented its place as a progressive all-inclusive all-american beer. Instead they gave in to the bullies, an act that no bully can respect.
PBR has a very distinct flavor. Its not great but its fine.
The best thing about a PBR is, if you don't finish it.... oh well
It goes really well with tortoise shell glasses and a beard. 🙄
Selling hipsters on a basically dead beer like PBR would be easier than getting them to drink the most mainstream of beers.
I don't think hipsters have been into pbr for like ten years, but it's possible I've just aged out of hipster circles.
Hipsters aren't really A Thing any more. Sure there are people who still act like that about stuff, but I don't really see anyone making it their whole personality any more. It's gone back to individual niches.
We're all about Pliny out here. I don't know if I can afford to be a hipster anymore tho
It’s more of “if you want a dirt cheap beer and theoretically could be a hipster”. Like I drink it when I’m looking for something cheaper than a local ale/lager and not liquor. It’s ok. Light beer is rarely worth it to me though. It’s too flavorless, if I want something with that few calories I just get whiskey
The people who drink Budweiser and Bud Light are the people who buy cheap beer. Whether it's at a bar or stocking up for a party, it's like buying chips or pizza, you aren't thinking too hard about it. Miller or Busch or PBR or Coors or Old Style or Michelob or any other roughly equivalent beer (half of which are also owned by AB) works just as well. Budweiser gave people a reason to think about their beer, and didn't give anyone a reason to think positively about their beer. If you are looking at the available options, and one of them is associated with bigotry, you're going to pick anything else.
Bud Light sells at gay bars the same as any other beer lol
Gay people are just normal people.
Yeah I think a lot of people think of us as more urbane and refined, and yes, I do definitely feel that our community and culture encourages that. But also I’ve met plenty of dudebro gay guys that would reach for a bud same as their friends. Hell I’ve met nonbinary folks who are as hick as it gets.
A vanishingly small percentage. The kind of people that care about inclusivity and LGBTQ+ rights aren't the kind of people that drink Budweiser. Their core demographic skews very heavily to the dude bro side of things. They pissed off a significant chunk of their existing customers, and then by immediately backtracking lost any potential new customers they might have picked up. They basically made the worst possible set of decisions they could have.
It's so weird that people actually think this is true.
I can count on one hand with fingers left over the number of people I know who drink Bud or Bud Light, and every last one of them is deeply conservative.
I live in LA and go out to bars in West Hollywood occasionally. Most people at gay bars order cocktails, since they are dancing and don't want heavy stomachs; but the beer choices are typically Bud brands, and people order them. The liquor stores in West Hollywood sell Budweiser, as do the grocery stores. The restaurants there have Bud brands on tap or in bottles.
Gay people do drink Bud Light. Maybe not the same percentages or amounts as MAGA Bros, but they do drink it.
So?
How many college aged kids do you know?
Why do you think there's no gay people out there that just want to chug cheap beer? Like, you're low key being really bigoted and just stomping your feet when people are trying to explain why you're wrong...
People's sexuality has zero to do with what kind of alcohol they prefer... that shouldn't need to be explained in 2023, but here we are.
How am I being bigoted?
As for the other question, at this point I think I know 2 people in college. It's been a while since I've been out of college myself so I'm mostly having to go by my memory from back then. The two people I know in college don't drink beer, and back when I was in college nobody I knew drank beer either, we all pretty much exclusively drank rum or vodka, or occasionally like a hard cider or something. My understanding is that beer consumption among millennials and younger generations is down pretty much across the board as is alcohol consumption in general (although less so than beer specifically).
This is less a question of alcohol in general though than it is one of brand perception. Bud has always sold itself as the 'murica beer, just like Fosters always sold itself as what people that have never been to Australia think is an Australian beer. Marketing and brand perception is really the only thing that differentiates most of these beers, as really they're all pretty much the same stuff in the can.
Because for some reason you think people who support LGBT rights can't enjoy cheap shitty beer...
I'm not sure what you're not getting here. It's the same as saying they don't watch sports, like fast cars, shooting guns, or any other stereotypically "straight thing".
Does that make sense?
I'm not suggesting that they can't like cheap beer, just that the vast majority of them are going to pick a different cheap beer, in part because of exactly the situation talked about in this article as well as other similar things in the past. I'm also aware of other examples, E.G. there are LGBTQ+ gun clubs, but they exist at least in part because of the over-representation of the MAGA crowd among gun owners. I've been to plenty of gun shows, and it's incredibly uncomfortable as a non-conservative to walk around and see all the confederate, MAGA, and just straight up racist paraphernalia being displayed prominently (to say nothing of the overheard conversations which are even worse). Does that mean that non-conservatives or non-straight people can't be gun owners? No, not at all, although they are statistically in the minority, and it doesn't help any that many of the retail locations for guns as well as gun ranges are at least somewhat unwelcoming to non-conservatives for a variety of reasons.
There are cultures around certain things, particularly brands, and those cultures do at least to a certain extent impact the popularity of that thing with certain demographics. This isn't some hard and fast rule, like no, as a Democrat you're not allowed to like or own a big ass Ford Truck, but if you picked the owner of one at random, there's better than even odds that they're a conservative. If said truck also has truck nuts and/or is blowing clouds of black smoke out of its tailpipe those odds shift to a near certainty. Is it impossible that there could be a liberal gay owner of a Ford F-150 with truck nuts and a confederate flag pinned up in the back of it? No, not impossible, but it's certainly incredibly unlikely.
Oh well if you've got such hard-hitting science behind you I guess I just look silly.
I mean I've provided just as much data as you have. Your stance is "it's weird people think this", and my response is that's because that's what people experience. Obviously if everyone you know who drinks Bud is conservative, you're going to associate those two. I've never seen anything to suggest that isn't the case, and you've provided no evidence to counter that either.
Budweiser products have a level of market share (still, even today, after a fairly big hit) that defies political leanings. Their market share was hurt by both political reactions to this complete non-issue of a marketing idea.
The politicization of beer is dumb, as a general rule.
Gays and straights, rich and poor, people just drink beer they like (and, often, can afford to drink in bulk)
Hmm, I wonder if there's a geographical component to this. I live in the US southeast, and just about the only time I actually see people drinking beer is during large family gatherings or at large sporting events (both with a depressingly large conservative contingent). Maybe if you live in the north or a college town you experience a more varied group of beer drinkers. On the rare occasions I do see a non-conservative drinking a beer it's almost always some kind of IPA or "fancy" beer, often from a microbrewery. In general though, beer just isn't a very popular alcoholic beverage in my experience, with wines or liquors being far more popular. Even in college most people I knew would drink rum, vodka, or some kind of hard cider rather than a beer.
I went to college in Eastern Kentucky, taught in far Eastern Kentucky, and have friends from all over.
I think you're reading too much into beer consumption as part of a selection bias. My sister has 2 master's degrees and is definitely no conservative, and drinks bud light because it's easy to drink - she doesn't really like the "good" beers.
People just like things. I've had many a Bud Light inside of gay clubs - it's just beer. Not my favorite, but i haven't always been able to afford my favorites, especially with bar prices
What are you on about, just stop.
My anecdata is similar. The only people I know who drink budd/miller/any other cheap crap beers also happen to be trump voters
Yeah that’s the question. Like I’d’ve stopped buying their beer over them caving if I hadn’t stopped buying their beer over it tasting eerily similar to some nonalcoholic beers.
If you cave to conservative backlash and stop supporting me then I stop supporting you.
I generally won't drink Bud, but I used to tolerate it at shows just to get something alcoholic that wouldn't break the bank. As is, I'd rather spend more than have two shitty tastes in my mouth...
Worst part was they hung Dylan out to dry. She didn’t ask for the partnership, they wanted to use her for her demo. Then, when bigots started losing their minds, they threw her under the bus. They offered zero guidance or support of any kind. After unleashing the hate and vitriol of assholes across the country, silence. Fuck everyone involved at InBev.
This is gonna be in PR textbooks one day, if it isn't already. It's a shining example of what not to do in the face of a moral panic.
I'm almost certain the best move in the face of moral panic is to stay the course.
Acquiesce to the bigots and you piss off your supporters too.
Manipulator&Sons PR Advice for major corporations:
Step 1) (mostly applies to Americans) Hire a propaganda specialist to monitor current news propaganda cycles that will inform marketing on current minefields.
Step 2) Don't step in political minefields created by said propagandists.
Step 3) Profit.
it's a picture perfect case of how not to market towards your target audience. not anything to do with "moral panics"
Piss is the key word here.