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They didn't have to kill him, it doesn't have to be a conspiracy. Barr's DOJ allowed a man in a VERY high profile case that should have been on increased watch commit suicide on the eve of his bombshell testimony and going away forever. They allowed him to take his own out.
The conspiracy was the missing footage, not the method of death. It was intentionally covered up.
The situation is pretty grim in American prisons. I can absolutely believe two cameras were totally busted and one bothered to fix them
Rikers Island's Deplorable Conditions: A federal monitor's report revealed unsanitary conditions at Rikers, including showers covered in mildew, infestations of roaches and flies, and broken fire safety systems. Veronica Vela of the Legal Aid Society described the jails as "rife with abuse and violence" and emphasized that these conditions reflect a lack of prioritization for humane treatment[2]. Judge Laura Taylor Swain also criticized the worsening violence, self-harm, and deaths in custody, calling the conditions "abnormal and unacceptable"[5].
Deaths and Overcrowding: In 2025, Rikers recorded its first death of the year, adding to a grim tally of 34 deaths since 2021. Eighty-six percent of detainees are held pretrial, presumed innocent, yet subjected to overcrowded and dangerous conditions. Advocates have called for urgent reforms to meet the legal obligation to close Rikers by 2027[8].
Human Rights Crisis: Over 80% of Rikers detainees have not been convicted but endure degrading conditions. Advocates like Keli Young from VOCAL-NY demand investments in housing and alternatives to incarceration to address systemic issues[9].
Calls for Federal Oversight: Amid these crises, advocates argue for federal receivership to improve safety and accountability. However, city officials have resisted such oversight despite mounting evidence of systemic failures[2][5].
Citations: [1] Bureau Of Prisons: 2024 Year In Review And Outlook for 2025 https://www.prisonology.com/blog/bureau-of-prisons-2024-year-in-review-and-outlook-for-2025 [2] New Rikers Island report reveals graphic details about unsanitary ... https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/new-rikers-island-report-reveals-graphic-details-about-unsanitary-conditions-fire-safety-and-ventilation-systems/ [3] Rikers Island, one of America's most notorious jails, is now one of its ... https://www.yahoo.com/news/rikers-island-one-of-americas-most-notorious-jails-is-now-one-of-its-deadliest-090043078.html [4] Bipartisan Criminal Justice Policies for 2025 and Beyond https://www.justiceactionnetwork.org/federal-policy-agenda-2025 [5] Judge holds NYC in contempt over worsening conditions at Rikers ... https://www.corrections1.com/rikers-correctional-facility/judge-holds-nyc-in-contempt-over-worsening-conditions-at-rikers-says-federal-takeover-likely [6] A View Inside Rikers from People Who Know it Best - NYCLU https://www.nyclu.org/podcast/s2-ep-3-a-view-inside-rikers-from-people-who-know-it-best [7] Deal Reached to End Illegal Strike by New York State Prison ... https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2025-02-28/deal-reached-to-end-illegal-strike-by-new-york-state-prison-workers-governor-says [8] First Confirmed Jail Death of 2025 Brings New York City's Total to 34… https://www.vera.org/news/nyc-jail-deaths [9] [It's] a Torture Chamber: Stories from Rikers Island - Vera Institute https://www.vera.org/its-a-torture-chamber
Yeah, but this guy was special.
You think Luigi Mangione’s cameras aren’t working?
Yeah I think him killing himself would be great for them, any prisoner outside of a private prison killing themselves is great for them, and the infrastructure if the criminal justice system is built that way
I don’t think they want him killing himself. They want him out on trial so it can be a big spectacle, to show everyone how evil and guilty he is, and then show everyone the punishment that awaits. Like putting heads on spikes on the castle walls.
Except the means of his death is the conspiracy, this notion that he was murdered. This conspiracy helps shift the blame from Barr's [Trump's] DOJ to a "boogyman".
The guy had been found previously trying to hang himself with a bed sheet and was treated and put on suicide watch (someone took him off). He was then put in a cell closest to the guard station and was supposed to have a cellmate as a way to deter further attempts. The facility he was housed in was also understaffed and not really suitable for such a high profile prisoner. His cellmate was then released and was not replaced despite knowledge that he was a risk, and part of a VERY high profile case claiming to have compromising information on many high profile people. The guards on duty that night were also had been forced to work mandatory overtime (again part of the understaffing).
Source: Jeffrey Epstein's Prison Guards Are Indicted On Federal Charges
Sorry, I meant the actual conspiracy was the cover up. The conspiracy theory was the method of death.
Real life conspiracies are usually pretty boring and simply involve a coordinated effort to spin or deny a mistake as something else.
Thats just it, he already was on 24 hour surveillance and suicide watch.
He was on 23.5 hour watch
It’s the half hour that’s important, really
Seriously. They didn't even need to bother with the 23.5 hours. They could have just mega-staffed that one 30-min interval. Hindsight, I guess.
Or just the half second of the drop.
Epstein didn't kill himself
Yeah, something that seems to be getting glossed over because the conspiracy is more entertaining. He was either murdered or allowed to kill himself. Both are equally bad.
They are both bad but they aren't equal.
What's the difference? Both would have resulted in the death of a man and a miscarriage of justice? Both would be caused by a direct decision.
Because in one case Epstein decides himself to be dead. In the other Epstein doesn't want to be dead but is murdered.
I guess the difference is consent. Something his victims didn't get to provide either.
I honestly am not concerned about Epstein's consent.
A murderer murdering a pedophile, and likely doing so as part of a conspiracy to protect other pedophiles, is much worse than someone deciding to look the other way while Epstein offs himself.
Epstein being dead is disappointing either way, but only because we didn't get more information from him.
Ok, apparently i missed the placement of the mandatory /s
I'm not really too concerned with Epstein's agency in all this.
I'm not concerned for Epstein at all. A murderer murdering a pedophile, and likely doing so as part of a conspiracy to protect other pedophiles, is still much worse than someone deciding to look the other way while Epstein offs himself.
In that situation, giving him the means and opportunity is the same things as killing him yourself.
Except that's not how words work
Yes, it is. Knowingly handing a suicidal person a loaded gun and walking away is murdering them.
You can look at it that way and make an argument, but in this case it's just a shortcut to implying a conspiracy theory is true that still remains a theory.
I will never understand why people want to be sure about things they cannot know.
This isn't some Q-anon or fakr moon landing conspiracy bullshit. This was a wealthy pedophile on suicide watch in prison who just so happened to have the opportunity to kill himself hours before he would have given testimony implicating dozens of elites. Sure, it's possible that was not intentional but you can't deny that it is suspicious.
Also, you really shouldn't put words in other people's mouths. I said giving him the opportunity intentionally would be the same as killing him. I never said that definitely happened. I think is extremely likely but there's no way I could be sure.
I never denied it was suspicious. Just find it so annoying that people cannot stop with that. Until there's hard evidence of it, it's speculation. Doesn't even matter if it's likely true. Repeating it over and over makes it true for some people but I won't be one of them.