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[–] [email protected] 57 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Tankies are right wing. Watch them make excuses for Russia and say NATO should pull out of Ukraine. Watch them say a Trump presidency is better than the alternative.

[–] Shardikprime 3 points 9 hours ago

Thanks now the stereoscope thing makes sense. I was freaking out thinking people were putting politics in medicine

[–] BeMoreCareful 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like Russia is further right than the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Socially for sure but economically it might be debatable. They have universal healthcare after all.

[–] drmoose 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I used to consider myself quite a socialist but tankies really straightened me out by taking side of Russia and Soviet Union of which I've experienced the horrors off first hand myself. There is socialism without cancers like Kremlin and CCP but the whole thing has been ruined and hijacked by these idiots just like alt-right ruined conservatives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

You could try anarchism instead

[–] greedytacothief 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I've been reading "the dispossessed" by Ursula k le guin, and I'm becoming increasingly interested in anarchy. Where should I look for more information on it?

[–] naught101 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia was pretty inspiring to me

(I'll also add that Anna Funder's Wifedom make Orwell seem a bit fucked in his personal life. I haven't read it yet, just had convos with people who did. Seems maybe Homage to Catalonia could have been a better book if he was less of a mysogynist)

[–] greedytacothief 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Why is it hard to find people that aren't shitty? I'm still recovering from learning Neil gaiman was an abuser

[–] naught101 1 points 1 hour ago

I think there's something about the type of people who are attracted to fame and power being more likely to be sociopathic, or at least more narcissistic. Not all of them, just a higher-than-background rate.

I don't find it hard to find great people IRL.

[–] finitebanjo 0 points 9 hours ago

Problem is Anarchism is hijacked by people who want to destroy specific governments.

[–] drmoose 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm quite fond of it!

I'm traveling around south east asia working remotely and staying in small expat communities for a few years at a time (long term visas are still hard). There are a lot of small communities all over the place here in Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia. I'd hesitate to call them anarchist per se because it's still kinda overseen by local authorities when it comes to crime and visas etc. but it's pretty close otherwise!

That being said I don't know how anarchism could be sustainable at scale without a major cultural reset, so I'm not sold on the idea it would work for giant homogenous places like China or US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I think I'm anarchist in terms of personality, but I'm not quite there politically. Like you, I'm not quite sure how to get there from here. If we do things like mutual aid and support unions, I don't think we'll go wrong, and that could end up leading to anarchism at some point in the future.

Where I'm anarchist in personality is that I fundamentally don't understand why you would want to be an authoritarian. When I first read 1984 in high school, and there's the bit from O'Brien about how the system is there for power as an end to itself, I didn't understand why anybody would want that. I can kinda see power as a way of gaining a comfortable life for yourself--usually at the expense of others--but not as its own end. I still don't understand it, but have come to accept that there are people like that.

Some of those people are draped in thin blue line flags, and some of those people are draped in a hammer and sickle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe China and the US shouldn't be giant and homogeneous.

[–] drmoose 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yup, though it seems like we missed our chance at this long time ago. Can you imagine what would have to happen for US or China to split up in this day an age? That's world-war territory and tbh I'd rather have what we have now.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago

Drag hopes California secedes

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Tankies are factually left-wing. Their actions, however, sometimes play into the deck of right-wingers when they try to fuck around with the system.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 18 hours ago (28 children)

Stalin criminalised homosexuality with a punishment of five years prison labour. Go ahead and repeat that fact on Hexbear, and see how many "radical leftists" are willing to make excuses for a homophobe

[–] naught101 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't this just an argument that left-right is a bad categorisation?

Tankies are authoritarian socialists. The american right are authoritarian and socially conservative individualists. Anarchists are libertarian socialists. American libertarians are also individualists.

There are lots of other dimensions too, but the left-right designation has been kind of useless at least since communists started fucking over anarchists in various parts of Eurasia in the first half of last century..

[–] finitebanjo 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

No, it's an argument that not everybody who claims to be left is actually progressive. Not everybody who claims to promote ownership of means of production by the people actually cares about human rights.

Tankies aren't left.

[–] IndustryStandard 6 points 15 hours ago

People have said that plenty on .ml. The only response I saw was people saying that was a bad move from Stalin and he should not have done that.

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[–] pyre 17 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (12 children)

no they have right wing ideals. they just use left wing terminology to push a right wing worldview.

edit: suddenly it seems tankie is about equality and support for the little guy, and more comically anti-imperialist. hmm I wonder where the word "tankie" comes from...

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