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[–] yesman 82 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The Germans did have hand grenades without a stick. Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 month ago

Also they're way bigger, taking more space in storage and when in transport

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

We have grenade launchers now.

Someone needs to make one that fires the stick grenades. At 3500 RPM.

[–] SkybreakerEngineer 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Once again NCD reinvents the bolter

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Life, uh, finds a way.

The 30mm "Barrett" Pattern bolter, created by MARS, Inc. and Barrett, is currently undergoing evaluations by the US Army.

Everything old is new again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MARS, Inc? Like the candy bar guys?

[–] MutilationWave 7 points 1 month ago

Nah it was a collab with the god of war.

[–] Archer 11 points 1 month ago

Wake up babe new A-10 ammo just dropped

[–] setsneedtofeed 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations

A minor addendum, the M24 and M43 stick grenades both had fragmentation sleeves produced for them. These could be quickly fitted over the grenades to change them from offensive to defensive grenades. Similar to the RGD-33 stick grenades used by the Soviets.

I assume this has something to do with the distance you can throw them.

The difference between offensive and defensive grenades is defined by how much fragmentation they produce. Without a fragmentation sleeve, a German stick grenade produces blast and concussion but very minimal fragmentation, making it's practical danger area smaller. This is good for an offensive grenade where the person throwing it likely has less cover than the person receiving it. A defensive grenade produces fragmentation, and is desired when the person throwing it has cover to hide behind safely.

The non-stick grenade commonly used by the Germans in WW2, was the Model 39 ("egg grenade"), and it actually came in both offensive and defensive flavors. So really, either a stick or egg grenade could be used for either role.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] setsneedtofeed 1 points 1 month ago
[–] WoodScientist 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Their doctrine was the stick type was for offensive operations, and the little one was favored for defense.

Hmm...defensive hand grenades. There's something crazy I've wondered before; is there anywhere it's legal to use hand-grenades as a form of home defense?

Let's say you live on a big property in the middle of nowhere, like a ranch out in West Texas. So you know that if you detonate a hand grenade on your property, you can be absolutely sure that the fragments won't fly through your walls and hit a neighbor. Let's say you live alone, and you're so stupid wealthy that you don't give a damn about grenade damage in your own home.

Imagine this is true. Is there anywhere in the US you could legally keep a crate of hand grenades in a gun safe, and just start chucking them at a home invader?

[–] glimse 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It isn't legal to own hand grenades in the US so I would imagine the self defense part would be irrelevant.

Though I'd imagine it they might be allowed if they were legal because you can use, say, your car as a weapon in self defense...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It isn’t legal to own hand grenades in the US

Not correct. It's an 'other destructive device', and is covered under the National Firearms Act of 1934. Each one would require completing a transfer form, waiting for approval from the ATF, and cost $200 for the tax stamp. ...And would then be usable exactly once.

You might be able to manufacture a grenade with an ATF Form 1 approval, but I'm not positive. And, again, it's a single-use item that requires a $200 tax stamp.