He is looking ahead to the general election.
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…and it’s still not a good strategy.
He is generally swayed by popular opinion, so we just need to wait for the rusted cogs and pistons that operate his brain to loosen up and maybe we'll get a somewhat sane take before the election rolls around.
Why not?
I suppose you imagine that the war in Gaza is just going to…. Go away? Drop out of the news chcle, maybe?
It won’t.
It’s going to stay in the news. As will Ukraine. Like they say: if it bleeds, it leads. In 4k.
Wars and tensions have been constant since like 1948.
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He's currently being abandoned by young progressives over his decisions in this war. This is the demographic he needs to win the most, so you can probably see the problem here.
Well really what are the young progressives gonna do? Vote for whatever fascist clown is gonna run against him?
Not vote at all, or vote third party. None of these will get a good candidate into office, but they'll do more than enough to lose Biden the election.
Centrists consider their own entitlement to be reality itself and cannot imagine either of these happening.
If they consistently voted, that would be a bigger threat. Vote third party because no one will believe the demographic that consistently sits out elections sat this one out specifically to hand the country to fascists. That didn't work out so well for Germans or the rest of the world, but maybe the Fourth Reich is the charm.
Like I said to the other guy: They don't vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020 (the highest in a very long time). If Biden can't get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, and he's very much failing at that.
Not vote?
That's the same as voting for Trump
Yes. But that's not their fault. Biden, or whichever Democrat is on the ballot, isn't entitled to anyone's vote for simply being "not the fascist."
Sure, but if young progressives don't want Trump as President, they are gonna have to bite the bullet and vote Biden. This is the wrong time to send a message.
You recognize how demoralizing that is, though? Zoomers are staring into the face of oblivion. There's nothing right now that isn't entirely fucked. The economy, the job market, the housing market, education, international relations, human rights, social equality, racism and bigotry, the climate, biodiversity, journalism, entire ecosystems, energy production, healthcare, all of it sucked dry by their forebears.
Many of these kids were too young to vote for Biden the first time, or Hillary before that. They sat like passengers in a crashing plane while the US Government continued it's inexorable decline into madness. And it didn't start with Trump, nor did it end when Biden took office, but at the very least we don't have a fascist in the Oval Office anymore.
Now you're saying that they need to step up and prevent another Trump administration, but the only way they can do it, the only possible option is to pull a lever next to Status Quo Biden? Buy into the shit show and pledge fealty to the collapse, or else someone will set the crashing plane on fire?
I did vote for Biden, and I voted for Hillary, and I will vote for Biden again next time, but neither was my first choice, and it's not my fault they were selected to run. Telling kids that "now is not the time" to send a message is like saying "we have ice cream at home" when you know damn well there's just one crusty ice pop in the bottom of the freezer, only instead of ice cream, it's a survivable future.
Oh, it's 100 percent demoralising! But thats, unfortunately, what it boils down to, isn't it? Having to choose the lesser of two evils instead of being allowed to vote with your heart (even if that means not voting at all). It's entirely unfair. Young people aren't responsible for this mess, and now so much depends on them. They deserve so much better, but are stuck with a party that is united behind a lunatic with the vocabulary of a 5 year old, or a party that is excellent at putting forth candidates that make that lunatic look just reasonable enough. If this was any other country I'd merely sympathise and sleep peacefully knowing that Trump is old and unhealthy, and that his time will come. But it's the US that we're talking about, and so much depends on the election. You not only have the US looking at young voters, but the entire world. It's a horrible situation.
Sounds like they need to organize and work on changing our archaic ass voting system first, then.
Let me tell you what Arab Americans are saying. If you stick us with a choice of a president who will bomb Arabs OR a president who will bomb Arabs, then there will be blood on our hands for voting for either and will stay home.
Biden broke promises to the community and did so in the misguided hope he could get some Republicans to switch their votes to him. Hillary tried the same thing and failed.
He’s currently being abandoned by young progressives
They don't vote
They don't vote enough but voter turnout for the 18-30 age bracket was almost 50% in 2020. If Biden can't get the same numbers for 2024 he loses, simple as that.
Democrats are kinda beholden to public opinion and it's mercurial nature because they're platform is that they are the entity responsible for people getting what they want...
If public opinion sways to being against Israel, it is expected that a democratic government will follow suit.
Democrats are kinda beholden to public opinion
Are they?
Lol, is that more a Republican deal? Pretty sure repubs are listening to whoever has the fattest wallet, or perhaps the Jesus book...
I guess your opinion is that Dem legislators are likewise apathetic to the general public? I was implying otherwise, but I guess it didn't sound narrative-y enough eh? Meh.
There are probably less than a dozen politicians in America that actually listen to their constituents. The rest are Republicans or Neoliberal Democrats who more or less all play for the same team at the end of the day: money. The neoliberals are also still under the unfortunate impression that the fascists can be negotiated with, which will end very poorly for us all.
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Well at least he now openly says israel is comitting war crimes while he's sending them bombs to commit genocide with.
Hopefully if Trump gets blocked from running in 2024 and people won't support Genocidal Geriatric Joe anymore.
Biden went on to call out Netanyahu for Israel’s “indiscriminate” bombing campaign in Gaza… developments for a Biden White House that’s repeatedly stressed that it is not seeking to impose “red lines” of any sort on Israel’s campaign of mass death among Palestinian civilian populations, even as it’s done precious little to eradicate or displace Hamas operations.
What kind of nonsense is this? You think Israel is targeting civilians (as the CIA is reminding him) but won’t stop giving weapons?
If Biden is too scared of lobbyists or Republicans to impose any conditions then he’s just as guilty as the one dropping the bombs. Or at least that’s the US government’s position on Iran giving weapons to Russia or Russia giving weapons to anti-Ukrainian terrorists.
Edit: Biden is planning to veto another UN Security Council resolution for a ceasefire but is trying to tell allies he feels bad about it. So he’s not even trying to retrain Israeli extremism except privately calling Netanyahu and asking him to hold back. Or else what? Nothing at all.
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