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[–] [email protected] 61 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This more than most sitcoms is just abusive relationships with a laugh track. Glad it’s not getting rebooted

[–] Sheeple 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also why I'd it that so many sitcoms decide to just have everyone be abusive dick wads? It's infuriating to watch and I miss the more wholesome sitcoms

[–] kautau 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

People love when their dysfunctional family is on a tv screen and then they feel like they’ve done nothing wrong

[–] Sheeple 7 points 10 months ago

Meanwhile I can't watch any of that shit because holy shit every character is so unbelievably hateful to each other and it's not even in a fun well written way

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

would you care to point out which ones didn't feature abusive dickwads?

like that's kind of a thing that goes back a long ways.

[–] RampantParanoia2365 4 points 10 months ago

Charles in Charge?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When you say "more wholesome sitcom" i hear "more shitty sitcom", like Growing Pains. which specific sitcoms are you referring to?

[–] jacksilver 5 points 10 months ago

I know it's animated, but Bob's Burgers is a great example of a current "wholesome sitcom" that's really good.

[–] Son_of_dad 7 points 10 months ago

Yeah Debrah was awful to Ray and always nagging him

[–] Kushan 7 points 10 months ago

"Kevin can f*** himself" is literally about that very thing. It's not amazing and does a weird thing where it bounces between sitcom mode and...I guess thriller mode, which doesn't always work but I appreciated the way it dealt with the sitcom bullshit of abusive relationships.

[–] themeatbridge 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can't replace Peter Boyle and Doris Roberts. But it would be cathartic to see Patricia Heaton with a daughter-in-law who is entirely inept as a cook and homemaker, and she has to resist the urge to become Marie while watching Ray become his father.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Good.
It was barely funny when it first came out, and hasn't aged well at all (I know because it's on every fucking morning when there is literally nothing else to watch).
Keep the misogyny, toxic masculinity and heteronormativity, and abusive-bullshit-as-normal in the past where they belong - boomer humour needs to be allowed to die, not kept alive at any cost to fill a handful of greedy pockets and entertain bigots (cough cough Frasier cough cough).

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

let things have their time. i understand the idea behind a lot of these revivals, but they're often pretty bad. it's not just about getting actors back and rebuilding sets. it's about the writers and all the other people that work on these shows. i'm fairly happy with how the Futurama revival turned out, but they were already set up for it, and it was really just another joke about all the other times they got revived.

in the case of Everybody Loves Raymond, you don't have Peter Boyle. without him the show would just be a shadow of its former self anyway.

sometimes it's better to imagine these characters just riding off into the sunset.

[–] Alexstarfire 15 points 10 months ago

I never liked it to begin with so I'm ok with this.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

Good news everybody

[–] Gamoc 12 points 10 months ago

Obviously Ray is worried, because Everybody Loves Raymond was SO shit that an even worse reboot would create a hole in reality that everything would be sucked into. God knows where we would end up.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Rarely, but not never.

But, that's probably because making a hit is very hard. The shows that are considered for a reboot are the hits. So, not only does it have to be a hit, but it has to be a bigger hit than the original.

That's probably why the good remakes are remakes of something that was a hit because it broke new ground in some way, rather than just having great acting, directing, writing, etc.

The original Star Trek was a hit not because the writing, acting and directing were top notch, but because the show had female officers, it had a Russian helmsman working with American officers. It had TV's first interracial kiss. It aired during the cold war, but depicted a post-capitalist world that might arguably have been communist. All that mattered more than the writing and acting. When they rebooted it, they could get great writers, directors and actors. Same general idea with Battlestar: Galactica and Doctor Who.

This also explains why it would be hard to reboot a sitcom. Sitcom situations are... um... common. Typically sitcoms don't break any new ground. If they're popular it's because of good writing, acting and directing. This might also be why some people thought the Will & Grace reboot was good. The first one was popular partially because it broke new ground, depicting homosexuality in a positive and normal light. Arguably that mattered more than the acting, writing and direction.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

So far the only thing I'll ever say was a good reboot was the 2nd Jumanji movie. The one that came after that is a shameless cash grab with little to no soul, but the other one was actually pretty decent.

They didn't pull a Star Wars and take the best parts of the previous movies to make a new film. They didn't make it overly cringe or completely dumb it down to the point of being nothing at all like the original. And they tried something new instead of just re-creating the original but only changing the time period and characters.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Off the top of my head: Doctor Who, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Battlestar Galactica.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And the first few Mission: Impossible movies. They were a reboot of a 70s show.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Had no idea since I've never seen any of them. Closest I ever came was having a PS1 Mission Impossible game and never making it past the start.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ahhh the video game wasn't that good. The first and imo especially the second film was amazing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're comparing movies to sitcoms.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

It's the best reboot example I have because all others I've seen suck. I don't have any other point of reference for good reboots other than Jumanji.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

the other one was actually pretty decent.

So it was only mediocre? I can't personally speak to it as I only saw the original, but this is hardly a ringing endorsement for reboots as a whole, or even that specific one.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Pfft, Degrassi the Next Generation kicked Degrassi's ass.

Also the more respectable answers like Star Trek TNG, FMA Brotherhood, and The Office too, but I stand by Degrassi TNG > Degrassi!

[–] w2tpmf 7 points 10 months ago

The first agreeable thing to ever come out of him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think Will and Grace was the only reboot that was quality. I've heard good things about the Kids in the Hall reboot, but I don't think that really counts since it's sketch comedy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Arguably "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" is a reboot. Not sure if the The Office counts.

[–] SpaceNoodle 2 points 10 months ago

The original The Office was better