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[–] [email protected] 120 points 11 months ago (5 children)

when Tony’s Chocolonely started up based on slave free, the financial journals were doing headlines like “will they be able to survive this bold new direction?”

[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They eventually found the cocoa market to be almost impossible to separate from slavery. They still do their best, which is a lot more than most, but they don't make any guarantees

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

They have some argument for doing business with one of the largest processors who’s not the worst but not provably ethical. Discouraging.

Found it:

At Tony’s, we exist so make all chocolate 100% slave-free, not just our own. That means climbing into the lion’s den and tackling change from within. It means getting to the root of the problem and paving the way for others by proving the scalability of our solutions.

Surprised that the processor, Barry Callebaut, is down for Tony to publish such blunt criticism of them. It’s like “don’t worry, Barry’s made a totally separate production line for us - only the Barry’s non-Tony production line contains the slave blood!”

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Man, capitalism is just fucking wild, isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago (2 children)

like Nestlé getting out of a child slavery lawsuit because none of the slavery happened in the US?

[–] positiveWHAT 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Sometimes I wonder why mass shootings happen so often at universities and not at such HQs.

[–] Linkerbaan 9 points 11 months ago

Lack of education

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fuck it, from where I come from: people in agriculture get smacked just by existing or trying to build common cause with "let's end hunger in the world". I'm with you, salutations from America Latina ! And let's make those fuckers get what they deserve.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Quando dou comida aos pobres, chamam-me de santo. Quando pergunto por que eles são pobres, chamam-me de comunista. (When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.)

—Dom Hélder Câmara, cited in Zildo Rocha, Helder, O Dom: uma vida que marcou os rumos da Igreja no Brasil (2000)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

The biggest problem with claiming to be slave free is that you need to own the farms to make sure, which means the locals don't get those profits either.

Whittaker's is slave free but they can't advertise it because they support the local economies ... which means they can't be reasonably sure slaves aren't used when they're not looking.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have yet to see proof that Tony's is actually slavery free. And if it isn't (as in "we are doing oUr BeSt") then why the hell would I buy from them instead of... not buying chooclate?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because they pay a lot more to the producers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok so they pay more to the slave owners... how does that help the slaves?

[–] Altofaltception 3 points 11 months ago

They get whipped with gold plated chains instead of your low cost leather whips.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because slavery is so prevalent in cocoa farms that it's impossible to guarantee that no slave labor was used. Even if they make an effort use ethical sources they still can't make that guarantee.

[–] SirQuackTheDuck 6 points 11 months ago

Well, yeah, but also, if this is Nestlé, it's likely just too expensive to make sure.

Gotta have that unsustainable, permanent growth.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

We are (big air quotes) "slave free".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

ironically slave free …

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It's the cartoon style. Notice the curve after "WE'RE" and above the c in "chocolate"

[–] Zoboomafoo 4 points 11 months ago

If I see quotes like that on packaging, I treat it as a verifiable lie

[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago (3 children)

John Oliver covered this on Last Week Tonight. tl;dw Cocoa is almost exclusively grown in Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire, two West African countries. Most of these farms are family run and there are millions of them. All the Cocoa they produce is purchased by a few companies who dictate price. Because they buy at such a low price, the only way these farms make money is if they force children in their families to work the farm for no compensation. Ie. Child slavery.

[–] Filthmontane 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

After watching that episode I started going out and buying, Tony Chocolonely. Gotta support good businesses.

[–] WeeScottishMan 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Sadly I don't know how slave free Tony Chocolonely is, I was reading up about this the other day and they have been removed from the slave free chocolate list due to ties with big coco.

Article talking about it's removal - https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2021/02/16/Tony-s-Chocolonely-axed-from-Slave-Free-Chocolate-list-defends-ties-with-Barry-Callebaut

Slave free chocolate list - https://www.slavefreechocolate.org/ethical-chocolate-companies/

Hope this is helpful :)

[–] Filthmontane 3 points 11 months ago

I highly doubt that nestle isn't using slave labor

[–] Buck 13 points 11 months ago

Not just children in their family, even children from other regions are kidnapped and forced to work on the farms. It's genuine, old fashioned, slavery.

[–] Son_of_dad 43 points 11 months ago

Y'all need to read about the chocolate wars and the trade of it if you're surprised about this. Now is also the one time in history where chocolate has been it's most ethical and least slavery driven. Chocolate has never been 100% ethical

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh the printers always screw that up.

"We're Slavers. Free Chocolate!"

There, fixed.

Lionel Hutz

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

No it's "slave free tm." Wich is just a trademark not a declaration.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Now with 40% less slavery!

[–] hakunawazo 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

* Only applies to packaging.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

*made by sustainable inmates

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I like how they tried to incorporate the quotation marks as some sort of quirky font by adding it above chocolate as well, yet it is still obvious.

[–] hakunawazo 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They just work for free because of the "implications"

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[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is that like gluten free? How many slaves are ground into a regular bar of chocolate?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It depends on how dark it is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I like my chocolate like I like this joke. Dark.

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[–] Shanedino 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Wonder if it's like cagefree or free range chicken where the label is actually meaningless and could be actively misleading and still legal.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah probably when they say "slave free," they mean

our slaves are free because we don't have to pay for them 💡 😁

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[–] TokenBoomer 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They call them serfs now. Feudalism is back baby.

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[–] Tier1BuildABear 8 points 11 months ago

And Mars, and Hershey

[–] banneryear1868 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wait til you learn where much of organic bat guano fertilizer is sourced.

[–] TokenBoomer 5 points 11 months ago
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