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A new court filing has revealed “hundreds of threatening, harassing, disparaging and antisemitic” threats made to Judge Arthur Engoron, who is currently presiding over the civil fraud trial of former President Donald Trump in New York and trying to get the gag order he imposed against Trump reinstated.

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000. An appeals court paused the order last week, citing Trump’s “constitutional and statutory rights.” But the threats have caused serious security concerns for Engoron and his staff, especially his principal law clerk Allison Greenfield.

One voicemail, according to an affidavit filed by court officer Captain Charles Hollon, stated: “Trust me. Trust me when I say this. I will come for you. I don’t care. Ain’t nobody gonna stop me either.” Another said: “Resign now, you dirty, treasonous piece of trash snake. We are going to get you and anyone of you dirty, backstabbing, lying, cheating American. You are nothing but a bunch of communists. We are coming to remove you permanently.”

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[–] Carvex 87 points 8 months ago (4 children)

In 2023, how are these threats not immediately traceable and punished? Even burner phones have to be registered these days, right?

[–] Steve 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There is a long history of law enforcement not taking threats of violence seriously, when they come from white conservative groups.

The Secrete Service might. As far as I know they take all threats to the president as pretty serious. But that only helps the president, not the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Perhaps in the past, but at least as of a few years ago, the USSS was heavily infiltrated by MAGA fascists.

Carol Leonnig’s book Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service goes into great detail on how compromised that organisation has become.

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[–] FlyingSquid 39 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Considering what happened to the January 6th insurrectionists, even if they're caught, they'll get a slap on the wrist.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago

The cops and FBI are on their side, that's why.

Hell, a decent chunk of the posts are probably from cops.

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[–] books 79 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Remember when hrc was lambasted for calling these folks deplorable?

I always thought she was right and she should doubled down.

[–] CharlesDarwin 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

She was proven right in polls about their attitudes soon after.

[–] njm1314 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for her those deplorables vote.

[–] CharlesDarwin 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, anyone holding deplorable positions was not going to vote for her, no matter what. All the pearl-clutching tone police seem to overlook that when they lecture her...

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[–] WaxedWookie 5 points 8 months ago

Unfortunately, being right doesn't matter in a popularity contest.

I do wonder how things would have panned out if she'd won - I can't help but think Trump would have been replaced by someone better able to overthrow democracy...

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[–] newthrowaway20 57 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I guess when the judges start dying, we'll think about taking this seriously, but not really.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it also sounds like a few hundred people need investigating.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Yes but it's hard to investigate right-wing terrorists when you can't seem to take off these damn kid gloves.

[–] Thaumiel 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not to mention a lot of the terrorists being the the same people as the cops who would look into "it".

Never forget "We have investigated ourselves and have found no evidence of wrongdoing" might as well be the motto of US policing.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Just going to leave this here... 🙂

Every Single House Republican Voted Against Investigating Neo-Nazis in the Military

All 208 House Republicans thumbed their noses at an amendment to a bill that would order the government to investigate white supremacist and neo-Nazi activity in the military and federal law enforcement.

[–] Daft_ish 6 points 8 months ago

Yeah, they are going to need those guys when they attempt their coup.

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[–] Sanctus 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Its whack how we have a whole ass terror cell in our government nobody does anything about.

[–] A_cook_not_a_chef 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well the FBI just designated Antifa as terrorists, so.... Wait yeah we're doing nothing.

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[–] CharlesDarwin 39 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them. All the better to have these thugs wrapped up in the justice system with trials, prison time, etc...give them something to occupy their time, esp. if some other big event calls them (like J6), they can stay away due to serving time or having to show up to trial, etc...

[–] Ensign_Crab 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I hope they are doing their best to track each one of these terrorists down and throwing the book at them.

I'm sure justice will be as swift and harsh as it was for the January 6 insurrectionists. Which is to say, they'll slow walk it and hand out insultingly minor sentences when they absolutely have to do anything at all.

[–] JustZ 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Federal judiciary doesn't take kindly to threats. Neither does the FBI.

[–] CharlesDarwin 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I sure hope they start taking this all very seriously before the orange blob (or a proxy) is able to seize power.

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[–] Madison420 9 points 8 months ago

FBI is part of it but the us Marshalls oversee Federal courts, they're not super politically biased and will fuck some people up if given a reason. Don't fuck with the federal Marshall service.

[–] LEDZeppelin 34 points 8 months ago

So innocent. Right folks?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I highly doubt these mental midgets took care to properly hide their identity when making these calls. I'm fairly confident they could easily be round up and charged with criminal threats against an officer of the law.

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[–] Syrc 25 points 8 months ago

Trump already violated Engoron’s gag order twice, costing him $15,000.

I gagged. That’s less than the cheapest car on the market. For violating two gag orders in a civil fraud trial.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

Unsurprising. Republicans are cunts like that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, his rights? Isn't the point of the judicial system to strip away some rights when you do something illegal?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago

in this case its all about the drawn out appeal. trumps famous not for winning, but for dragging cases out so long it doesnt matter anymore.

in this case, hes already guilty hes just literally throwing tantrums to create noise that might allow for an appeal. and its a longshot, as no one appears to be giving him an inch of appealable activity.

its painful to watch, but its all about the appeal avoidance.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago (8 children)

It's a good thing it's only white people threatening him.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

Fucking terrorists plain and simple

[–] boatsnhos931 8 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Talk is cheap, anyone can talk shit behind a phone or computer

[–] TechyDad 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter how cheap the speech is or whether few of them would actually turn their talk into action. The death threats themselves are serious even if none of these people intend to act on it. Also, these threats are illegal whether or not these people intend to act on it. Finally, all it takes is one person who decides to act on Trump's marching orders.

If you were getting these threats, would you be resting easy with the thought that most of these people wouldn't come to your home (which they'd know the address of)? Or would you - more likely - be afraid to go home or answer your phone?

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[–] chiliedogg 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They did storm the US capitol alley being told to take the country back in "trial by combat."

They did shoot Gabby Giffords after conservative propaganda that literally drew a crosshair on her.

They did try to kidnap a governor.

They did take over a federal building and receive no punishment.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, that's always been Trump's play: talk a big game from a veeery safe distance, and incite other people to do his dirty work for him.

"I'll be right there with you" my ass.

The issue - as January 6th has shown - is that there are enough insurgents and domestic terrorists who are willing to commit violence on Trump's behalf.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

This is why the call to GA was such a massive fuckup for him. He made that call personally, and he's reaping the consequences of getting his own hands dirty.

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