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I don't know if this is 100% strictly privacy related but I think it does fall in the sphere of protecting one's right to express oneself privately.

"Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

The proposals have provoked a furious response from civil rights groups with some warning it risks “criminalising dissent”, and would significantly suppress freedom of expression."

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 8 months ago (2 children)

1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a fucking manual.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lol fr. It's like they watched all the movies and books about dystopia and thought, "okay, this looks good, let's do this"

Even the wording and grammar sounds like they are doing a 1984 parody

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Honestly a lot of things today seem like funhouse mirrors of scifi dystopias. There is something to be asked of chicken or the egg with our similarities. Did the writers just think about how we would eventually end up and just got slightly wrong with the details or did someone with terrible social skills and a fucked up hyper focused head think it was a good idea and aimed to make it reality.

It happens all the time with items from Star Trek. Literally engineers wanting to make the gadgets they saw and even Meta pulls it's name from a dystopia novel that Zuck thinks is neat instead of horrifying.

So do we put forth ideas only to normalize them and make them true? Do thoughts become reality whether good or bad? Or do people have the ability to extrapolate where we are heading through guess work and random chance with enough time and effort?

Because I'm horrified if twilight becomes real... Oh God is it already real?? Has anyone been to Utah lately?!

[–] EpicFailGuy 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

don't forget to practice your double think

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The day after the 5th of November. Nothing bad ever happens when you suppress the freedom of speech and the right to protest.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
[–] [email protected] 53 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Climate protests are probably gonna be illegal in many places soon.. :(

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 8 months ago (3 children)

broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values

Guess I'm an extremist 🤷‍♂️

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 months ago

"You're no longer allowed to be upset at your government and if you are you'll be met with violence"

people use violence

"They just love violence nobody said they were upset!"

[–] [email protected] 39 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are we in the V for vendetta timeline now?

[–] EpicFailGuy 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The 5th of November...oh shit that was yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Yeah, almost seems like a bit too much of a coincidence to me...

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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[–] bappity 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

holy shit let me out of here

[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

if you're serious, then here's two places i recommend to make a start on that train of thought

https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org should clue you in on which "advanced economies" might skew towards the life factors that interest you

and https://www.hofstede-insights.com/country-comparison-tool might help you narrow down which of these will be a better cultural fit

i'm aware there's a lot of subjectivity in these two links but, it could help you make a start.

many people are great at saying "get me out of here" online, but not many people follow up that thought, and ask themselves "but where to?"

be one of those who answers the second question. start working on your escape today! 💪

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[–] Skullgrid 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Just leave. I did it in 2018. They can't force you to stay in this shithole.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

They can’t force you to stay in this shithole.

Not yet, you mean.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

I also left, for me in 2021.

Life really is better if you can get out. The process is no walk in the park but it is a temporary pain.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 8 months ago

Wow. This is two shakes short of full-blown Fascism.

[–] SimonSaysStuff 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Sweet Jesus, it really is time to bail. Any recommendations on where to go? I'm hearing the weather is much better in France and Spain.

Is Scotland on board with this dictatorship malarky or are they fighting it? I didn't see them kick up a fuss about the online safety bill which made it to law, which makes me think they aren't fighting it.

[–] Weslee 13 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Yeah but how do we leave without a crap ton of money to buy our citizenship in another country?

I was considering moving to Scotland if they vote to leave the UK and rejoin the EU

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Macron in France has seemingly had similar fascist quivers running down his leg.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

France is right behind the UK right now. It's not as bad yet but will be in the near future.

[–] Mr_Blott 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

For those that don't know, look at Michael Gove -

And remember that wimpy kid from your school who was horribly, horribly bullied

Then think about what a fuckin psychopath they'd be now if they were in a position of power

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Whoever thought 1984 would become a documentary - and V for Vendetta a possible solution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

I mean, George Orwell wasn't exactly optimistic about the future outlook.

‘If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever.’

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

Last week the home secretary, Suella Braverman, described pro-Palestinian demonstrations in London as “hate marches”, prompting dismay from many participants who consider themselves peace campaigners.

Martin Bright, editor-at-large, Index on Censorship, added: “This is an unwarranted attack on freedom of expression and would potentially criminalise every student radical and revolutionary dissident.

The government’s 2011 Prevent strategy defined extremism as the “active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and the mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs”.

Under the proposed definition in the documents, extremism would be the promotion of any ideology which aims to “overturn or undermine the UK’s democracy, its institutions and values; or threaten the rights of individuals or create a permissive environment for radicalisation, hate crime and terrorism”.


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