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Original Post:
Today, we want to inform everyone that we have decided to defederate from https://exploding-heads.com/. We understand that defederating should always be a last resort, and individuals can certainly block communities. However, blocking alone does not prevent potential harm to vulnerable communities.

After carefully reviewing the instance, reported posts, and multiple comments from the community, we have concluded that exploding-heads is not adhering to the Lemmy or Citizen Code of Conduct. Therefore, we cannot, in good faith, continue to federate with an instance that consistently promotes hate, racism, and bullying.

Examples:
https://lemmy.world/post/577526 - Community Moderator Harassment
https://exploding-heads.com/post/92194 - Systemadmin Post
https://exploding-heads.com/post/90780 - Systemadmin Post
https://exploding-heads.com/post/91488 - Systemadmin Post
https://exploding-heads.com/post/93725 - Community Moderator Post

Again, deciding to defederate from an instance is not taken lightly. In the future, we will continue to review instances on a case-by-case bases.

As for our community, please refrain from posting or commenting with hateful words as well. Arguing back and calling people names is not the solution. The best course of action is to report the posts or comments violating our server rules.

Lemmy Code of Conduct
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/code_of_conduct.html
Citizen Code of Conduct https://github.com/stumpsyn/policies/blob/master/citizen_code_of_conduct.md

β€œWe are committed to providing a friendly, safe, and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.”

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[–] TeaHands 174 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm no fan of defederating over minor disagreements but yeah, some types of people are just incompatible with building a welcoming space. Good choice.

[–] WorkIsSlow 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with you that it was a good choice and that it's necessary to foster a friendly online culture.

I haven't seen any calls for defederation over, "minor disagreements," though. I have seen lots of people saying that we should defederate from places like exploding heads so that we dont allow them to get bigger and then those people being told that they shouldn't call for defederation over minor disagreements.

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[–] CannaVet 155 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Everybody crying about free speech because they got cut off from the nazis are very welcome to go sign up with the nazis and let the door hit you on the way out.

[–] Mereo 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Exactly, instances are like countries. Alliances (federations) will be formed. It will be an organic process. Instances that promote Nazi content will form alliances with each other, and our instance Lemmy.world will form an alliance that has the same values of respect.

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[–] JigglySackles 136 points 1 year ago

That seems like the right choice. Those seem to be some pretty vile people. They can have their free speech, but it doesn't mean we have to listen to it. Normally I'd not be in agreeance about defederating, but hate speech shouldn't have a safe haven among us. Thanks, for defederating from them.

[–] DelvianSeek 114 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your diligence, transparency, and for being proactive about this. I, for one, am glad to see that racism, bigotry, and homophobia are not welcome on lemmy.world, and that the admin team takes that seriously.

[–] Variden3301 112 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. Good for everybody

[–] spicytuna62 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I love the "freedom of speech includes the freedom to offend" crowd because like, of course it does, but don't be surprised when nobody likes you because you're being a dick to everyone.

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[–] quinten 104 points 1 year ago
[–] Rogue_General 101 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thank you. One of those dudes were over on sh.itjust.works when they defederated it, arguing that the exploding heads community was totally fine! As you can see... no, it was not: https://lemmy.world/comment/577634

You can expand the rest comment section for context but the screenshot in the link speaks for itself.

Edit: here come the downvotes! The exploding heads guys really hate that I screenshotted & exposed the cesspit they call home. Lol

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[–] V4uban 99 points 1 year ago

Thank you for your transparency! As always, very appreciated.

[–] razorwiregoatlick 86 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Good! The older I get the more I realize that free speech at all cost is bullshit. Every idea or thought does not deserve a platform.

[–] nexusband 46 points 1 year ago
[–] Alperto 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In Spain we have an old saying (maybe it's international, but I just heard it in Spain): My freedom ends where yours begin. Meaning that you're free to do what you want, but not when others are affected in a negative way (your noise disturb others, your hostility affect others, etc). When I see some people in the US behaving like assholes claiming that's their freedom I realise they don't actually understand what freedom means.

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[–] AWildRattata 82 points 1 year ago (84 children)

Good call! Thanks for creating a welcoming atmosphere for all!

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[–] CodaChroma 82 points 1 year ago

Good riddance

[–] blue_zephyr 79 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Fantastic. I don't want to have to block all transphobic shithole communities since that requires me looking at them. If hateful people could just group together in their 4chan bubbles which are defederated from sane people, that'd be awesome.

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[–] Dark_Blade 79 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And this right here is what separates Lemmy from voat: active community moderation that works to limit the reach of hateful bigots. While I’m a big proponent of free speech myself, I do agree that many kinds of β€˜speech’ aren’t the most conductive thing for building a welcoming platform; especially one that caters to many vulnerable groups.

This move also highlights the core strength of a decentralized platform, by the way: while people who no longer want to engage with this content can stay safe, nobody was deplatformed! We achieved a clean break without banning or β€˜silencing’ anybody.

So, good job on responsibly using the defed hammer!

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[–] Dasnap 74 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Damn those sysadmin posts are dire.

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[–] MiniBus93 66 points 1 year ago

I'm happy you guys announced it and posted visual proof of why you decided to defederate from them.

Trasparence in the management will shine a bright way ahead!

[–] Smokeless7048 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not a fan of de federation except in extreme circumstances... but this is a good choice. Its not a couple mods being slow to respond to reports, but real nasty speach from admins.

Thank you.

[–] meldroc 37 points 1 year ago

A site being turned into a Nazi-bar qualifies as a sufficiently extreme circumstance as to justify defederation.

[–] meldroc 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you, admins!

This is one thing you're getting right that Reddit never got right. They let shit like the_donald fester for years.

[–] Dark_Blade 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe spez endorsed those views himself. Makes sense too, he’s a doomsday prepper and an Elon Musk fanboy.

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[–] tobor 57 points 1 year ago

thanks for this. Feels good to be on an instance that takes it seriously!

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In case it hasn't been suggested before, it might be a good idea to give users the ability to block a whole instance, rather than one magazine at a time

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[–] Clbull 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To those whinging about the decision to defederate Exploding Heads, think about it this way.

Mastodon once got a massive influx of users because Gab attempted to expand their influence as a far-right Twitter competitor by joining their fediverse. The various other instances responded in kind by collectively defederating Gab because they didn't want their platforms to be flooded by the racist and bigoted gruel that Gab's clientele were spewing out.

And here lies the beauty of free speech and the fediverse. People are free to create an instance with their own rules, but others are also free to disassociate from them.

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[–] MyOpinion 51 points 1 year ago

Any time you limit the MAGA maggots it is a win for everyone.

[–] Buffalox 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just love how we are reminded to observe the simple rules here. That's great. ;)

Originally reddit was very observant on what they called rediquette. But I honestly don't recall seeing it mentioned for the past 5 years.

As things degraded and rediquette was more and more needed, instead of reminding each other of it, it seems to have disappeared.

[–] samus12345 46 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Enforcing Reddiquette would mean less trolling, which is bad for Reddit because anger fuels engagement.

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[–] MusketeerX 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks, a sensible action to take.

I hadn't been exposed to it, but it sounds like something I don't want to see.

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[–] gnarly 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm the head mod of /r/darkbrandon (75k) doing a voluntary migration to Lemmy & Kbin. We do not condone the behavior shown in that moderator post. I've setup a community on this instance so I'm just reaching to say that officially. Take care and thanks for hosting.

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[–] buddhabound 47 points 1 year ago

Good. I was getting sick of blocking them every time one of their new communities popped up that wasn't blocked yet. I have yet to see a single thread from that instance that didn't immediately make me block the user and community.

Good riddance.

[–] danieljackson 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I am trying to create a tolerant NSFW community on lemmy, it's the first time I hear about this "Citizen Code of Conduct". While I am totally opposed to Doxxing and general harassment, there is this part which concerns me:

  1. Unacceptable Behavior

The following behaviors are considered harassment and are unacceptable within our community:

  • [...]
  • Posting or displaying sexually explicit [...] material.

Where does this apply? In lemmy code contribution? or in the communities? If this applies to the community, this is quite worrisome.

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[–] mayo 44 points 1 year ago

Good move. We don't need to tolerate nazis. Though the code of conduct is admittedly progressive and this in itself will exclude people who are conservative. I am OK with seedy underbellies, or areas with people I don't agree with and I think we should avoid being moral police where possible, but the rhetoric on exploding heads is too much. They aren't actually conservatives they are just insane people, literal crazies that belong on 4chan or voat, or maybe truth social if that's still a thing.

[–] CannaVet 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I support this move after a quick glance at their site. Thank you team!

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[–] randon31415 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Went over to their site. I found it ironic that their ten level reply thread complaining about the defederation made me realize that the different level reply colors form a rainbow. Hopefully that isn't for just June, it is very helpful when trying to figure out who is responding to who.

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[–] Kaiser 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m not usually a fan of defederation, but I'm actually glad to see it in this case. It's beneficial to have healthy disagreements in opinion and interactions with people who don’t share your views. However, I haven't witnessed anything positive resulting from these interactions so far.

I really appreciate your transparency and responsiveness to the community.

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[–] ahzidaljun 41 points 1 year ago

This is great. Free speech and edgy jokes are one thing, but this is literally just random crazy racist sexist bullshit with a classic case of Biden derangement syndrome. Why even bother federating with these boggarts

[–] legion 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

This is how you do it. The Code of Conduct is established. Habitually violating the Code leads to defederation. It's simple, and need not be dramatic.

I don't want an echo chamber, but excluding bad actors is not the same thing as excluding differing views and perspectives.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

Good riddance. You want your free speech? Fine. You're not owed my free ear, though. Take your insufferable twaddle elsewhere.

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