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[–] linearchaos 88 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Beehaw did it already :)

Not that I blame them.

[–] simple 113 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Beehaw's degeneration is actually temporary. They said they would like to refederate with major instances when there's better mod tools available. The problem is they're only 4 admins and don't really have the capability to moderate that well right now.

[–] linearchaos 39 points 2 years ago

yeah, that's what i've read. They're protecting their people, and that's an admirable thing. Wonder where cross instances admin tools are on the roadmap.

In any case our equivalent federated communities are coming up to strength now and we're starting to get decent levels of interactions without them.

[–] cashews_win 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

What happened with Beehaw?

[–] tdawg 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As others have mentioned their mod team is pretty small. In addition their motivation is to cultivate a safe space which is hard to do when other more permissive instances are federated with them.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They want a safe space for their particular values, so defederated with every instance which doesn’t.

[–] WassupDoc 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I've read every scrap of documentation on their website, and still don't have a good sense what exactly their "values" are. In one sentence they sound more woke than Reddit, in the next sentence they sound like they're pushing back on overwrought codes of conduct.

Honestly, Beehaw just comes across as one quirky individual's vanity project, created out of spite after he got modded on another board, and it somehow stumbled into drawing a crowd.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

they're only 4 admins and don't really have the capability to moderate that well right now

We know, they continually remind us.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In your entire comment history, this is actually the least hostile comment you've ever made. Amazing

[–] Hotdogman 15 points 2 years ago

Username is assbutt, I expect nothing but shit-talking from them.

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[–] TheBeege 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yes, that is good communication. Most people only look at the latest thing. By repeating themselves, the message is the latest thing multiple times, meaning more people see it. Repetition is not a bad thing in mass communications. They're doing a good job

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[–] Fisk400 36 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Beehaw did the opposite. If you are from reddit, you are not the pink people. You are the grey ones. Beehaw said no before the fourth panel happened.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Dude... Like....

Duuuude...

I don't know how to phrase this, but Reddit was getting filled with... Normal people? Nongeeks? The socially adept?

I'm sooo glad to be back with silly peeps. I missed that sense of critical self awareness haha. And I've been able to express some controversial opinions without getting locked and banned, which is mellowing as fuck.

[–] snek 39 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I believe reddit was simply filled with all kinds of people. There is an array of subs to choose from with different interests and activity levels. I find it silly that people on reddit consider themselves "non-normal" and "geeky". I don't think you're that special.

[–] SmoothLiquidation 17 points 2 years ago

This is true with all forms of social media. I remember when Twitter was starting out, and one of the main complaints was "Everyone was sharing pictures of what they ate for lunch", and my thought was "Don't follow those people". Reddit has a lot of crappy areas that won't be missed. There are a lot of dumb admins that only use the site to have a power trip. But beyond that, there was a lot of GOOD admins, and GOOD subreddits that were filled with interesting discussions and nice cultures.

This is why I am excited about the Fediverse. There will be servers run by meglomaniacs and trolls. There will be servers and communities filled with racist, misogynistic assholes. But you don't have to go to those. They can be blocked at the community and server levels.

I don't think it will be a problem as we get more and more people here. Having a bigger user base will allow for a better experience for everyone in that more exposure will make it easier for more tools to be developed. More people means more communities, and finding ones that cover more niche topics, which will make the platform more useful.

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[–] cashews_win 34 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I can say things like:

"I like Brains faggots more than any other brand" and "Retard the accelerator" without my comment being deleted and/or Reddit-banned for hate-speech.

I once got suspended from Reddit for saying: "The Scots weren't innocent during the British Empire. They were used for a lot of rape & murder".

It was considered racist. Until I appealed with 2 academic history papers that showed the Scottish Highlanders were considered a "martial race" and were used extensively in colonial campaigns during the British Empire. I really don't want to have to fucking educate dumb-as-brick Yank admins who don't know history or language beyond their shores.

I was finally site-suspended and can't create new users because a mod accused me of evading a sub ban. I didn't. Another mod just unbanned me cos the reason I got banned originally was idiotic. The mod didn't care. Re-banned me so my 15yo account got permanently suspended by the admins.

I'm done with that fucking site.

[–] InfiniteVariables 15 points 2 years ago (15 children)

The first part of your post is really confusing. Why would you talk like you're using English from 1930s? Is English your second language?

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[–] Nahvi 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

When they first started joining Reddit, I thought of them as FaceBookers fleeing their parents and grandparents.

That said, I am part of this new wave here. I have tried 3 separate times over the last few years to join the Fediverse but always ended up on instances that lacked content that was relevant to me. It almost went the same way this time when I joined kbin.social but I decided to try lemmy.world also and found a lot more communities that interested me here.

Incidentally, as I understand it kbin.social should have been fine for me but was temporarily suppressing the feeds from other instances to help deal with the new wave.

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[–] theywilleatthestars 65 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Me, who only made an account because I was banned from Reddit and has no idea how Fediverse stuff works: whistles nervously

[–] tsukii 31 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Meanwhile I fled to Lemmy from Reddit because I need a place to show art without being under some platform whose vision and actions I don't support

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[–] sebinspace 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Banned from Reddit? What’d you do, tell Spez to go fuck himself?

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair 10 points 2 years ago

I told him to fuck himself plenty and never even got aknowlaged

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[–] piezzo 18 points 2 years ago

i guess most of us dont know a lot about the whole fediverse stuff. but the longer you are here, the more you will learn about it. so far, it's pretty interesting!

[–] Sjoerd1993 15 points 2 years ago (13 children)

No offense, but how do you manage to get banned from Reddit? A certain sub, sure, but the entire website?

[–] theywilleatthestars 16 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Said that I would murder andrew tate is given the opportunity and apparently that counts as a credible threat of violence

[–] escaped_cruzader 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That is very violent phrasing and you only deem it ok because it's geared toward the "right kind of people"

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[–] JeffCraig 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The beauty of the fediverse is that the last panel can't happen.

We control our own instances. There's no world where admins wouldn't defederate from any Facebook attempt to barge in.

Maybe a few larger instances sell out, but users hold the power here now. If an admin betrays our trust, we'll just make a new instance.

[–] doctorzeromd 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even more than defederating, it's in the hands of users. If people were to flood in from somewhere with bad intentions, it would likely be from one or two servers. At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day

[–] zerozaku 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

At that point, just block those servers/communities from your view and continue about your day

But what if those servers/instances are the ones which has quality communities in it and what if the users and owners of those communities refuse to migrate to new server/instance? Wouldn't that be the same case of reddit where the user base is split and the new migrated server/instance needs building again?

[–] ram 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

DING DING DING. Here's Facebook's playbook:

  1. Create close sourced ActivityPub implementation to federate with mastodon/lemmy and gain users.
  2. Offer better experience than competition via exclusive features, reliability, more communities, etc.
  3. Once enough users have been obtained, completely defederate from fediverse.
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

They could defederate servers that don’t do exactly what they want and servers that are defederated might capitulate. The last frame is very possible and we’ve already seen it start to happen with thedonald on shitjustworks.

Edit: that said, I know the Donald comes from Reddit so it’s not the best example. But it’s an example of the method by which the last panel could happen.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is one of the biggest aspects I looking forward to with a federated future. It will be easier than ever to pack up and start your own thing, and it can be as connected/disconnected from the old thing, as you want.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] herrwoland 25 points 2 years ago

hey thanks and sorry for forgetting to give credit to the artist

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[–] OWSEEX 40 points 2 years ago

“include this”, “include that”, bitch, I don’t want your propaganda in my place, gtfo

[–] Cynosure 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Soon? This has pretty much already happened with lemmygrad

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

Apologies from the crest of this eternal September.

[–] marcar 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This works on so many levels

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago

It really does. My first thought was a lot of cities where it's run down and depressed and the more hipster artsy types show up for the cheap property and make something interesting. Eventually the affluent catch wind and show up to take advantage of what was created and price the originals out.

[–] Rooki 26 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Something like this could happen. Some instance admins of Fediverse instance admins met with Facebook. They are trying to include facebooks services to fediverse. I hope they wont do that. Otherwise this meme gets reality.

[–] hydra 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I heard the Mastodon admin refused to cooperate.

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[–] notExactlyI20 25 points 2 years ago

I mean, that's what already happened with Lemmingrad.

I personally don't care what their opinions are, but funny thing is that they can defederate from pretty much all instances where they feel attacked. As long as this doesn't change in the future with the fediverse, I'm okay with that

[–] MiddleWeigh 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sorry everyone I'm gonna be going now before it gets too crowded. ..jk. this is a great meme btw.

[–] hurricane 21 points 2 years ago

The circle of digital life. sigh

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Original comic by @webcomic_name (Instagram) aka Alex Norris - a true legend!

[–] GustavoM 11 points 2 years ago

There will be always rotten apples around, and there is nothing we can do about it.

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