Political Memes

This happens when capital owners get enough wealth and influence to capture government regulatory agencies. This is what any attempt at capitalism will build to.

At least the no true communism people use the actual definition of the system in their argument. What you’re describing is literally capitalist organizations acting on the incentives inherent to the system.

Yeah it's called corruption. I think no matter how perfect your ideals are in your head, any idea can be ruined with a little corruption.

That's how capitalism has always worked in practice, though.

Of course it is. Capitalism, especially neoliberal capitalism, needs the state to support it. Without the state, who will arrest people who go against the wishes of capital? If there isn't one already, capital will become the state.

it is when the richest people have already paid off the government to bail them out, when the time comes, with our tax dollars.

Capitalism =/= markets.

Socialism =/= public services.

Markets are much older than capitalism, and socialism is a very simple economic idea, being the collective ownership of the means of production by the workers.

Capitalism guides innovation towards increasing profits for capitalist, hardly “innovative”. The USSR was the first to the Moon, after being a feudalistic society, thanks to socialism.

The move from absolute monarchies ruled by kings and aristocrats to democracies made the power distribution more equal across classes.

What is needed in a new system is another step in this direction.

The biggest problem and driver of inequality in the current system is that while we have democratic control of government, the control of business is still largely autocratic.

Work and business is a huge part of our lives and making sure that the companies work for workers and consumers and not owners and investors is the next major systemic change that should be sought out.

There is this belief by so many that somehow, if you create the perfect system, it will somehow overcome human nature or that humans will somehow starting acting collectively altruistic with the right political model.

In most cases, they also imagine themselves in a position of power in this new government, either up in an upper "leadership" class or somehow silently leading "but I'm not a leader", as if somehow the idea itself is so potent that people will just, you know, execute it flawlessly without intervention.

Agreed, although I'd reframe it; capitalism is a solid default, and does a good job of innovating ... but it tends to operate like gravity, the more capital you have the more you get.

So, you need a mechanism to redistribute that capital, and you need to make sure that the things everyone is supposed to have enough of, don't get distributed that way in the first place.

I've seen a lot of college kids adamant about the invisible hand of the free market solving all problems.

The communists on Lemmy are cringe as fuck and have to make up these situations to justify their positions.

This has to be a lie. I've never seen a single kid educated enough to even know what anarchy is. But they're definitely dumb enough to parrot their parents.

It could be a regional thing. capitalism is practically a religion in the US that parents indoctrinate their kids into.

We prime them from young ages to buy what the commercials show them

So when do people typically start enjoying their work?

I say this only because things like communism and all their promises can only really come about through a revolution and the price in blood is jaw dropping. So much killing. It also almost certainly means people materially worse off for a long time if not the rest of their lives in the wake of this revolution even if over generations it manages to eventually deliver.

These same arguments can be used to ward off a revolution against a dictatorship or absolutist monarchy, though. Or even against slavery.