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A draft law banning speech and dressing "detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people" has sparked debate in China.

If the law comes into force, people found guilty could be fined or jailed but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

Social media users and legal experts have called for more clarity to avoid excessive enforcement.

China recently released a swathe of proposed changes to its public security laws - the first reforms in decades.

The clothing law has drawn immediate reaction from the public - with many online criticising it as excessive and absurd.

The contentious clauses suggest that people who wear or force others to wear clothing and symbols that "undermine the spirit or hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation" could be detained for up to 15 days and fined up to 5,000 yuan ($680; £550).

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[-] Fondots 113 points 8 months ago

I find this kind of interesting after Naomi Wu (also known as SexyCyborg) recently had a run-in with the CCP and has largely gone silent online.

For anyone not familiar with her/her situation, she's a tech/maker YouTuber. She has a pretty radical look with enormous fake boobs and skimpy outfits, but she does have some genuinely interesting content. She had been calling out some security vulnerabilities that recently got some attention so that's likely why the Chinese government, in her words, clipped her wings, but she had a bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.

[-] SCB 51 points 8 months ago

bit of a target painted on her back regardless because of her appearance, being a lesbian, and because her girlfriend is a Uyghur.

"Bit of a target" indeed. She's like a walking Bingo card of everything China suppresses.

Hope she's okay.

[-] Fondots 11 points 8 months ago

The wild part to me is that overall I never got the impression from anything I saw from her that she was particularly anti-ccp, some of the annoyed grumbling I'd expect from literally anybody living under any government in the world, but that's about it. Overall she seemed to be a pretty proud Chinese citizen, and probably a good spokesperson for the Chinese tech sector, from watching her videos I know that I'm slightly less quick to dismiss any Chinese gadgets as chinesium garbage. I'd think she'd be more useful to keep around for PR purposes, but after her previous incidents didn't make significant waves with her western audience, it seems that they figured they're free to bully her however they want to now.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Big Clive posted an update today saying they were in touch, she's ok, and just lying low for the time being.

[-] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago

Jesus Christ, I know moving your life is not that simple, but she and her gf need to run from that hell hole.

[-] [email protected] 37 points 8 months ago

Her GF literally can't get out of the country

[-] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

That guy on the rented jet ski managed it.

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[-] Fondots 23 points 8 months ago

She actually did partially address that, obviously without going into too many details, saying that she could leave but her girlfriend couldn't, so they're pretty much just going to keep their heads down and play by the rules.

[-] captainlezbian 11 points 8 months ago

Holy fuck she sounds badass

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago

Yeah? How about closing those sweatshops that pollute Chinese rivers, drinking water, that destroys soil so that plants can never grow again, where Chinese works inhale colorant and chemicals... how about that shit, CCP?

[-] SCB 22 points 8 months ago

That hurts the land and the people and not the CCP's feelings, so the CCP doesn't care.

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[-] Pat12 34 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

For those wondering, "Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people" is an actual phrase (伤害中国人民的感情) it started all the way back in the late 50s.

this last part "感情 ganqing" translated as "feelings" or "emotional attachment", it's actually an important part of chinese culture, esp business culture (similar to this is "guanxi" which is someone's network). These are major parts of chinese culture and relationships with others. this phrase is more like "you're hurting our relationship"

[-] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

This seems similar to Republicans' current crusade to ban books they believe will hurt the "fabric of the country."

[-] afraid_of_zombies 3 points 8 months ago

If your nation is that weak it isn't worth saving, it should just die and be replaced by something better. Which is just about anything.

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[-] xc2215x 33 points 8 months ago

Knowing the control China demands I am not shocked.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

And this is how the Chinese ends up wearing a national uniform.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago

Zhao Hong, a law professor at the Chinese University of Political Science and Law said the lack of clarity could lead to an infringement of personal.

Adorable that anyone is suggesting this is a bug, not a feature.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago

but the proposal does not yet spell out what constitutes a violation.

and this is not a coincidence. Authoritarian states love vaguely operationalized definitions like this because it's basically a blanko check to arrest anyone at any time. And it puts the populace into a fearful, fatalist mindset of "I could be arrested at any time for bogus charges, even if I did nothing wrong."

[-] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Of course you're in a thread like this.

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[-] bfg9k 21 points 8 months ago

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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[-] Pat12 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Will wearing a suit and tie count? Marxism originated in the West. Would its presence in China also count as hurting national feelings," one user posted on Chinese Twitter-like platform Weibo.

She cited one case that drew headlines in China last year where a kimono-clad woman was detained in the city of Suzhou and accused of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" because she had worn the Japanese garment. The incident sparked outrage across Chinese social media.

"To wear a kimono is to hurt the feelings of the Chinese nation, to eat Japanese food is to jeopardise its spirit? When did the feelings and spirit of the time-tested Chinese nation become so fragile?" wrote one popular social commentator online, who writes under the pen name Wang Wusi.

from here: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58394906

In 2019, during further moves on censorship, China blurred out the earlobes of some of its young male pop stars in television and internet appearances to hide their piercings. Tattoos and men's ponytails have also previously been blurred from screens.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

i kinda want to build a storefront that only sells things on the ban list.

[-] FlyingSquid 15 points 8 months ago

What more do they want? They already got rid of the Winnie the Pooh costume at Shanghai Disneyland.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm unable to find the original Chinese, but couldn't "hurt national feelings" just as well be translated as "do emotional damage"? Like walking around London 1997 with a shirt that said "Princess Di deserved to die"? Now while that aint illegal in the UK (as far as I know) it's at least a little less ridiculous to talk about trauma from events that affect a nation rather than this dismissive right-wing language of "hurt national feelings".

(this is not a pro-CCP comment please give me the benefit of the doubt)

[-] Womble 42 points 8 months ago

"hurting the feelings of the Chinese people" is a phrase commonly used by the ccp that means anything that goes against our narrative. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people?useskin=vector

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

Is china hoping to become more like north korea?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Gonna be a bunch of nude people, everything upsets these pooh-soft dopes

[-] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

This creates a funny image in my mind.

Does this implies we are about to see the comeback of the blue and brown clothing of the Mao era or can we expect the return of the imperial style to the rulling class?

[-] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A draft law banning speech and dressing "detrimental to the spirit of Chinese people" has sparked debate in China.

The proposed legal changes also forbid "insulting, slandering or otherwise infringing upon the names of local heroes and martyrs" as well as vandalism of their memorial statues.

Would its presence in China also count as hurting national feelings," one user posted on Chinese Twitter-like platform Weibo.

She cited one case that drew headlines in China last year where a kimono-clad woman was detained in the city of Suzhou and accused of "picking quarrels and provoking trouble" because she had worn the Japanese garment.

In March this year, police detained a woman donning a replica of a Japanese military uniform at a night market.

And earlier last month, people who wore rainbow print clothing were denied entry to a concert by Taiwanese singer Chang Hui-mei in Beijing.


The original article contains 520 words, the summary contains 145 words. Saved 72%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago

Mandate assless chaps!

[-] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

All chaps are by definition assless.

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[-] Jimmyeatsausage 4 points 8 months ago

This is awful and wrong and a violation of the human rights of the citizens of that country. Thankfully, we don't let the government decide what people are allowed to wear here in the good ol US of A...doesnt matter how many conservatives' feelings are hurt. Small government and all that...

[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

It's always strange to see a member of the most incarcerated population on the planet wax lyrical about how free they are.

Not to defend China here at all.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I urge y'all to look up laowhy86 on YouTube and look at his Beijing flood video. Or even the last few videos tbh.

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