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[–] flossdaily 152 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It doesn't matter

Their viewers literally do not care about the truth.

Their entire belief system would be unraveled in minutes if they took the time to look at any original sources.

The "do your own research" crowd isn't smart enough, or isn't inclined to do even the slightest bit of actual research.

[–] TokenBoomer 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

They were never equipped to by the American education system.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

yeah sure, but as a person who's entire education was neglectful parents throwing a textbook in front of me and basically leaving me unsupervised, its kinda on them.

we have the entirety of human knowledge in our pockets and ive met conservatives who think the scps they see on tiktok exist and the government covers it up.

[–] TokenBoomer 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ehhh not really, as I didnt go through the american education system. Im more like a plane that didnt see combat that returned to base with no bullet holes, so officers concluded that everything is borked and a single bullet will down a plane.

But what I am saying is that ehhhh shits dumb and people should be less dumb, and they really have no excuse for continuing to be dumb like this.

by all means, we should improve society somewhat, including the american education system. If the american education system was better, Id have likely been allowed to go to public school and would thus have better social skills, allowing me to party and live up being a young twink rather than chat with folks on a budding social media site.

[–] TokenBoomer 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 0 points 11 months ago

Fuckin boomers thinking everyone needs a goddamn ribbon

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If one person fails at something, maybe it is on them. We don’t want to rush into some kind of moral judgment about them deserving the consequences because they may have issues with their personal history, cognitive abilities, or relationships that led to the failure, but it’s still individual characteristics (even if it’s not their fault, per se).

If hundreds of thousands to millions of people are failing in the same way, we’re looking at a systemic problem rather than a personal one, and bootstraps aren’t the answer. Don’t think about it like someone who made it and is justifiably proud of what they did. Think about it like a statistician. How many people in similar circumstances to yours made it without falling into religious fundamentalism, conservative politics, or even substance abuse and being stuck wherever their birth landed them? I bet it’s a pretty high percentage, even if we only count the ones whose parents threw them a textbook.

Systemic problems require systemic solutions. We have a lot to get through before we can get there, but it’s still easier to fix if the problems are properly diagnosed - and demonstrably the existence of the internet and smartphones is not solving it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yes, however:

being a victim of a systemic problem doesnt really justify being a racist and homophobic bigot that clings to a false narrative in spite of overwhelming evidence.

and when a group of people have decided to be hateful to me because of shoddy reasons, ive decided I can say whatever I like about them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You got a textbook, most of these people never did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i hear you but we have the internet widely available.

Im not arguing that the american education system is adequate, im just saying that at some point, people have a responsibility to not follow belief systems that can be disproven with a few hours of research.

it requires a lot of head in sand to be a modern fundie repub

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The internet on its own is not a solution given anyone can make a website and say whatever they want on it.

I was arguing with a guy here on Lemmy who though nationalpriorities.com was a more reliable source of information than Wikipedia.

People need to be taught how to use the internet, how to find sources for the information and filter out lies and falsehoods. That takes a good education, which many people lack.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

a lot of people dont trust the school system or modern research and studies, its quite sad and i've no clue how to counteract that.

people who think school is liberal brainwashing arent going to listen to school when it teaches how to critical think.

Idk, school should get more funding, but again i think its that guys fault for thinking that.

dont get me wrong, that guy should also get the resources they need, but like...cmon...

[–] SkyezOpen 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Bingo! A huge portion of the country are taught to: not question authority, study to the tests, and not critically think about things.

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 11 months ago

The state will never give you the tools to overthrow it.

[–] TruTollTroll 9 points 11 months ago

What they mean when they say do you own research, they mean listen to their newscasters only and just trust them.. because they did the research and if you your self did it, it would be biased.... so just trust them bro. Crazy lunatics...

[–] Red_October 6 points 11 months ago

Worse than that, they will actively reject the truth when it's inconvenient to them. They will choose to believe her deceptive edits are somehow more true than actual reality, even if they flat out know it was deceptively edited.

[–] Sanctus 63 points 11 months ago

You mean manipulating? Thats manipulation

[–] Buffaloaf 45 points 11 months ago

And Fox news audiences will never know about it

[–] JustZ 37 points 11 months ago

Yeah she's a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago

Deceptive editing... they don't even have the decency to use a deep fake.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

Does it matter? The people who believe her aren’t going to look into the quotes or even verify they happened because they think she’s right and it sounds plausible in their world view. They won’t see the articles showing she’s wrong. Laura’s not getting banned for manipulation because it’s manipulated in their favor. And if someone did ban her from appearing on Fox News she’d just hop to OANN or something instead and they’d blame “democrats” or “cancel culture” or some stupid made up reasoning for why and it’d probably strengthen their resolve in believing this BS.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago

They know it doesn't matter

The pawns will volunteer parroting the BS to all their friends. "Did you hear Biden say" and it will be a fact as far as their jello brains are concerned

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

She was not "busted". She does it on purpose and knows that it doesn't matter how many times she'll be caught. She knows there will be no material consequences, not by her opponents, not by the fans, not by the legal system that's pretends its purpose is to keep people like her in check. It doesn't matter.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you.

[–] WindyRebel 10 points 11 months ago

Well, not that shocked?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

My question is, why has nobody filed a lawsuit against Fox News for committing these acts of deception?

There's got to be an angle somewhere. They are misleading the population while claiming to be a news source. There should be some sort of ruling that says that what a news source says has to at least have some grounding in the truth to the best of the newscasters ability to verify.

[–] namelessdread 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The law hasn't really caught up. There are regulations from the FCC, including in regards to distributing false information, but only for broadcast television. Fox News (and many others, such as CNN, MSNBC, etc) are cable news channels run by private providers, so they are not subject to those FCC regulations.

While companies have sued, such as Dominion, there really aren't any grounds for the audience/consumers suing. They didn't suffer any damages.

That being said, there do need to be changes in how ethics are enforced in media and journalism.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

If the law is not up to date then it seems ripe for the picking.

Some enterprising law firm out there needs to find some clients and get on this because there's beautiful pocket change for their cut if they can figure out exactly the right angle to take.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

That under the Legal System, (we don't have a justice System), Citizens "didn’t suffer any damages" is the telling part.

[–] FlyingSquid 9 points 11 months ago

Dominion and Smartmatic have.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Its been brought up before (tucker Carlson argued in court mo reasonable person would believe him), the TLDR is the law is outdated and nobody with power cares

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Look at the glee in her eyes! Fucking psychopath lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

She's not so good at hiding her political goals eh?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

She hates America so much

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Me: “How dare they!”

Also me: “I’m not going to investigate any further than the title because it sounds true.”

[–] Piecemakers3Dprints 4 points 11 months ago

one of them. one of them. one of them. one of them.

[–] Zippy 3 points 11 months ago

I watched the full video. She shortened the speech but did it change the meaning or make it deceptive? I don't like her message much but I missed where the deception came from. It seems like an opinion piece with her fully disagreeing with Biden. Am I missing something? Real question.

[–] thesprongler -4 points 11 months ago

Dems back to lying, while GOP never left.