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[–] NewEnglandRedshirt 36 points 1 year ago

Really, it was more of a "The Nazis are doing this. We need to get this done before the Nazis so we can prevent the Nazis using it because we will retaliate." The fact that the war in Europe was over before either side had actually finished the bomb made that part irrelevant.

Unfortunately for science, once discoveries are made and turned over to the military, scientsts' morality gets shoved into a corner.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's just the WW2 version of "You were so preoccupied on whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think if you should"

Now there's lots of debate on if nukes resulted in the unsteady peace we benefit from today, but fact of the matter is two cities that existed, stopped, existing.

Edit: I'm being a bit hyperbolic but the point still stands.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are still around, man.

Edit: not trying to downplay the monstrosity of the A bomb, just pointing out that they're still big cities.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know but it's kinda the ship of theseus. It was rebuilt but for the time they got deleted.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"Deleted" is very much a euphemism for "everyone in them got either pulverised in an instant or died in agonising pain from radiation poisoning"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah you lost your family in that house fire, but the house is build up again, stop crying

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

my le bomb.... it le killed people?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well, I wouldn't necessarily call them people...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They were supposed to be used on Nazis, not the Japanese. Thats the difference.

[–] TotallynotJessica 3 points 1 year ago

It's not like the Japanese didn't do horrific shit where they invaded. They killed millions of Chinese innocents and were brutal to POWs. They were a serious imperial evil in their own right.

They were also somewhat responsible for the US believing that they would fight to the last man. They purposely populated the islands in the Pacific with loyalist citizens to make taking the islands difficult. Combined with tactics like the kamikaze attacks, they wanted the US to believe they would never surrender, even if they probably would have.

That said, the main use for the bomb was probably always going to be against large civilian cities. Oppenheimer would have known this, and simply must have believed that the chance of letting the Nazis get it first was too great a threat. He probably figured that if someone was going to build it anyways, at least he could try and influence how it was used. That didn't work out so well, but it might have been better than there not being moderating voices at the table.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] MindSkipperBro12 1 points 1 year ago

What’s the difference?

[–] complacent_jerboa 2 points 1 year ago

No, they knew exactly what they were doing. There were interviews with them — they said so.

[–] MindSkipperBro12 1 points 1 year ago

“Get this crybaby outta here.”