"Everyone is welcome here, even the gays. They're just lesser members who can't actually participate in the sacraments. But they're still welcome! They're just like, 3/5ths welcome..."
- the Catholic Church, probably
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"They're welcome here, they're just going to hell if they don't un-gay themselves."
All are equally welcome to the church! Some are just more equal than others
Yeah, I, as a queer person who grew up in a Catholic country, always felt very welcome
/s
It's easy and cheap for him to just claim "it's for everyone" without actually doing anything to address the bigotry, systemic issues, and culture surrounding the religion. I get the impression this is by intent.
"the pope was asked how he could reconcile his "todos" message with the fact that LGBTQ+ people are excluded from the sacraments. The pope answered the Church has laws, but is still a place for everyone."
Equal but different.
Taking questions from reporters aboard his flight back to Rome after a five-day trip to Portugal, the pope was asked how he could reconcile his "todos" message with the fact that LGBTQ+ people are excluded from the sacraments. The pope answered the Church has laws, but is still a place for everyone.
Non-answers to appease all, as always.
Yup, just proves that he's still just a piece of shit at the end of the day.
So sex outside marriage is a mortal sin, and we still aren't allowed to get married in the Catholic Church. Got it.
it's for everyone, and yet they won't update their "rules" to actually include them.
PR pope says PR talking point. Jorge Mario Bergoglio was a piece of shit homophobic bigot, long before he was made pope. Still refuses to meet or acknowledge the victims of his clergy. He's nothing but talk, and not even his own followers listen to him. Go to any third world country full of Catholics and see if they treat LGBT people well because the pope said so.
Also, how does he claim to be pro lgbt while passing decrees that prevent priests from blessing same sex unions?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-francis-meets-with-survivors-of-clergy-sex-abuse-in-portugal
Just so you know, your info is out of date
Yeah, ok, sure Francis.
"But they still go to Hell forever."
IANAP but nobody goes to hell in Catholicism. Big Catholic doesn't want you to know but in order to go to hell you need to sin without guilt but there's a technicality that you cannot sin without your soul feeling some guilt since the holy spirit resides within and will always experience guilt at the sin committed it means you're good.
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There is a hell, i.e. all those who die in personal mortal sin, as enemies of God, and unworthy of eternal life, will be severely punished by God after death.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia.
Now I'm not clear from Google whether or not gay sex is a mortal sin, but it seems like it's leaning on yes. Just being gay might not send you to Hell in Catholicism, but acting on it? Sounds like maybe.
What a stupid religion, "hey you have free will and I totally gave it to you, BUT I SWEAR TO MYSELF ILL TORTURE YOU FOR LIFE IF YOU DO THINGS I DON'T LIKE ARBITRARILY!"
Also "I'm all powerful and created the entire universe but if you little ants on this one little rock don't worship me, I'll condemn you to eternal damnation!"
So they just treat you like shit because they want to. Got it.
Oh yes, it's for everyone alright. You're welcome to join, please help save the crumbling membership numbers, but you can never be close to equal and will never have the same rights. But it's totally for everyone.
I've never understood why women support the Church in the droves that they do. It's mainly women keeping Catholicism alive despite being treated like shit for more than a thousand years.
How self loathing can a person be?
"I need to pick a religion, but I can't decide which.. oh, yes, Catholicism looks good."
You 👏 don't 👏 need 👏 religion. Just live your life. Make genuine connections with friends. Be good to everyone. Try to leave the world better than it would have been without you. No magic required.
The magic isn't even real.
Great, now ask most Catholics what they think of this idea.
Everyone including pedophiles?
Uh... From what I've seen in the news, especially the pedophiles.
Actions speak louder than words.
No it fucking isn't. Fuck the pope.
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Then I assume he's going to apologize for this?
Roman Catholic Church Pours $2 Million into Discrimination against LGBT Americans - November 15, 2012
The Roman Catholic Church hierarchy funneled $2 million into entirely unsuccessful efforts to advance discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in the four marriage ballot states of Maine, Maryland, Minnesota, and Washington this election cycle. An updated HRC report, available at www.hrc.org/catholicreport, provides a snapshot of just how much money the Church, along with its close ally the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), poured into campaigns aimed solely at depriving LGBT Americans of dignity and respect.
Good PR move to distract where the diacese spend their cash. We know what the Catholic Church values based on the money they spend trying to influence politics; hey, just like the time they spent millions trying to prevent the statute of limitations from being expanded for child sexual abuse...
That article is over a decade old, and from when the church was led by a different pope. I have no love for the Catholic Church, but try to engage in good faith.
I always love how the Catholic Church gets to have it both ways: they simultaneously are bound by centuries of traditions that they revere, but are also not to be held accountable for the damage that they've done merely a decade ago.
Have they apologized for trying to force their morally backwards religion on people? Have they funded lobbies to expand LGBTQ rights to reverse some of the damage they've done historically?
Do you think that the Cardinals who run the diaces who donated thone millions of dollars have reformed their ideas regarding same-sex marriage?
All the Catholic Church has done is to dress up their bigotry as inclusion, and credulous news agencies do their PR for them about how much the Catholic Church has changed to be more inclusive.
So I ask you, if you think they've changed: what exactly have they changed? They still lobby the government to impose their religion on the rest of us, they still believe that "acting on" gay urges is evil and weak, and they are still hiding child predators. The Catholic Church is an enormous institution, and merely replacing the CEO doesn't mean that every franchise is magically aligned with his new vision.
So how is pointing out their actual values (a particularly ironic turn of phrase) "bad faith?"
They've shown their contempt for sexual minorities for centuries; I think we should believe them.
Good for Pope Francis.
It is progress, though there is still a long way to go.
Is it progress though? It's easy for them to talk the talk, but they don't appear to be doing anything to walk the walk. This is lip service, at best.
Is this a “But only if you stop being gay.” Thing or is this “no being gay is okay” thing?
I wouldn't go as far it's them saying being gay is okay, but they're claiming all queer people can come and be active members of the church. The issue is that they're saying that while simultaneously treating LGBTQ+ people as ~~second~~ third degree citizens. They are "welcoming" us while also refusing to see us as equal and still claiming homosexuality is ungodly. It's the bullshit cries of a cult in its death throes.
“You can join us, but only if promise to become like us”….
Not surprised I have a very different definition of “welcome”.
First time seeing him say this sort of stuff? It's like a business making their logo rainbow at this point.