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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26701576

Scarlett Johansson remains adamant that Natasha Romanoff/Black Widow's death in the Marvel Cinematic Universe should not be undone.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Disney really made the MCU great up to and including Endgame. It should have ended after that but Disney could not stop ass fucking that cash cow to tears. Now we are left with garbage. I followed the MCU since the beginning with hulk/iron man. I miss the old MCU. Never cared for black widow though

[–] jerryh100 13 points 22 hours ago

But… but we’re still waiting for the Black Widow and Deadpool crossover…

[–] TommySoda 113 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even the actors are exhausted with the MCU.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, that's the negative POV. It may simply be that she said goodbye to the character and has no interest in revisiting it again

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's the same effing thing over and over. Same with dinsey beating the dead corpse of Star Wars. Don't they have any new, different ideas? Or are they gonna make 5000000000000 movies about the same shit?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

Disney paid $4.05 billion for star wars. you bet your bottom dollar they're going to beat that dead horse until there's nothing left

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Have you ever read comic books?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago
[–] AnUnusualRelic 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I, too, have read all two Marvel comic books.

[–] AnUnusualRelic 2 points 3 hours ago

Ooh, they have another one?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 23 hours ago

The second option

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago

I mean, I feel the same way about character deaths. It's an overused trope. Let's have them quietly working in the background, like a capable spy would, eh? I think comics should have long ago embraced having their superheroes 'retire' by simply being background mentions from time to time, rather than have big dramatic deaths and torch passing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Every Marvel hero I like has died and come back multiple times. Why should Black Widow be any different? It doesn't make them less of a hero. It doesn't diminish their sacrifice. It just allows the character to continue being loved in new stories.

[–] Godric 8 points 9 hours ago

Maybe they shouldn't bring people back, so a death actually means something.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they really want her back, they’ll do it. “Whoa, I can’t believe the Russians cloned her, then turned her into a man, then the obvious dysphoria stemming from it caused her to turn traitor and join shield. I can’t believe she looks completely different now!” Far from the weirdest comic plot line

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

RDJ being Dr. Doom makes me think it's just going to be Tony Stark "but what if he was evil" since Iron Man and Dr. Doom have relatively similar schticks. (Keyword: relatively. Nobody should read this and feel the need to tell me why they're different. I only mean they're both egotistical geniuses in metal armor.)

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This is just me, but I always felt her acting talents were wasted in the MCU. Same with Brie Larson.

[–] GraniteM 14 points 21 hours ago

They got her early. She had a few solid credits to her name when she did Iron Man 2, but the smart MCU move at that point was to recruit young-ish talent and get them signed on for multi-movie contracts relatively cheap. Hopefully what we all get out of that sort of arrangement is that talented actors make enough MCU money to go off and do whatever out-there artsy stuff that creatively appeals to them and fosters their talents, rather than having to plug away in garbage movies just to pay the bills.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I agree on Scarlet but not on Brie Larson, I find most characters she plays to be bland or not move me as much.

While Scarlet in Lucy, Dark Blue and ghost in the shell really really make it clear how good of an actress she is.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What about when she played Envy Adams on Scott Pilgrim!

https://youtu.be/1xcSDYy3Dl4

I mean it was a smaller role years ago, but I loved it.

For Scarlett, I think she was amazing in Marriage Story.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Great song by Metric. Black Sheep

[–] moakley 1 points 13 hours ago

Larson did the vocals in the movie version of the song. Sounds just like Emily Haines.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

I didn't know it was actually her in scott pilgrim, tought it was a good imitation. That is amazing.

Will add marriage story to my watchlist, can't remember having seen it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neither her best film with Ghost in the title, nor the best version of Ghost in the Shell.

Not that I disagree with your point. She has acting chops wasted in MCU.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

She wasn't the problem with Ghost though, at least outside the whitewashing aspect. Probably the best part of it tbh. Movie was just mid all around.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

Just a reminder since people apparently still have this confusion; ghost in the shell wasn't white washed. The character from book one is described as western looking specifically to be able to infiltrate any country without suspicion falling on Japan.

We can discuss why they didn't white face a Japanese person if thats somehow less offensive than hiring for the look of the android body instead of the original body that died of cancer as a little girl, but that seems even more silly than people that had no interest in the series (or anime/manga in general) getting upset about accurate casting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Altered Carbon enters the chat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Altered Carbon enters the chat.

The show where the whole point was the character was in a different body and how weird that is?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They brought her back over and over in the What If? series.

Maybe the real issue is that the whole MCU just needs to die.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Personally I feel like it died with the resolving arc from Infinity war Part 2, when Thanos got beaten. I'm good to have it left there.

GOTG3 ended their arc pretty neatly too.

And even if I watch every marvel movie moving forward, I imagine it as being alternate timeline to the true ending. (a bit the same thing as the zelda timeline with hero defeated/hero won things)

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