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Dems should shut it down ... but won't. They could force Republicans to sign whatever legislation they want, they just need 2 voted to win ... but the Dems are weak. We need a better class of liberal politicians.
Democratic representatives make more money in donations when there are more Republicans around making noise …
We need to fix the way we donate money to candidates 
Honestly it should not even be legal to donate to politicians at all. There should only be publicly funded elections. Earn enough signatures to end up on a ballot, you get a budget that goes to helping you campaign, audited to ensure that it only gets used for purposes directly related to campaigning.
Well, all i am saying is that i can take a tax free gift of 100,000 USD per year, but i still have to inform the IRS who gave it to me and when. If I have to do that as a private citizen, politicians should have to do something similar with campaign donations, so i agree
Yes, but ... the people that would make these changes are the ones that benefit from how they work now. We need another branch of government, one with no power over normal citizens, but able to investigate corruption in politicians.
We need a better class of liberal politicians.
That's called "leftist."
And when it's shut down, we should have a general strike. And the condition for ending the shutdown should be the immediate defunding and permanent removal of DOGE. And Trump should be made to wear a clown suit with a sign around his neck saying PUTIN'S BITCH.
(A boy can dream).
We need a better class of liberal politicians.
We need social democrats or people to the left of them. And most of all, people with backbone.
Unfortunately, we have the results of "vote blue no matter who" instead.
The flip side is that if the Dems shut it down, the republicans will use that as a scapegoat for all their failures and, truth be damned, their base will eat it up. It's not an enviable position.
Republicans have the majority. It's Republicans who are blocking the spending bill. This has nothing to do with Democrats other than attempt by the mainstream media to make it seem like it will be Democrats fault.
If you’re fucked for agreeing, and equally fucked amongst the same populace for disagreeing, there’s not a lot of downsides going for the “shut it down” plan.
I fully expect Dems to capitulate
100%. Even with everything going on they will bend the knee and give MAGAts what they ask for for the umpteenth time.
"We got Collins to agree to maybe not do a genocide of all gay people! Democracy is saved! Collins knows that handshakes are sacred."
That’s because 2/3 are in fact republicans in a thin veneer.
So few?
Shut it down
🙏
Absolutely no way it's gonna happen but the best play I could think of for this situation would be for Dems to not support it and then go on a social media tirade about how they did everything they could to stop a government shutdown. You know, do their best to make the other side look bad by slandering them with lies like how they wanted to cut all funding to public schools or something else ridiculous. Over 99% of people aren't gonna read the damn bill anyways and will probably take what is said at face value because of not reading it, as sad as it sounds.
Absolutely not gonna happen because the only US politician with any amount of spine I know of at this point is Bernie Sanders, but would be fun to see.
Democratic leadership is coming out swinging on this one, telling their caucus that any member of the party that attempts to block this bill will be primaried.
In these unprecedented times it is an absolute necessity that democrats join with republicans to ensure their agenda moves forward. Americans want a congress that works again. Any member that dares to hold this great nation hostage to score cheap political points will meet with the full fury of the DNC.
When asked if they were at all concerned about the policies they would be enabling they responded
Our donors don’t pay us to worry about policies. We will not be held hostage by small dollar donors any longer. The only thing more dangerous to our democracy than the specter of fascism would be us breaking a single norm or polite convention.
When told that trump recently threatened to round up democratic lawmakers and execute them for the good of the nation leadership had this to say.
While we certainly disagree with their plans, we will hold our heads up high knowing that we had the integrity to pass the spending necessary to keep the gears of government turning.
At that point democratic leadership had to leave with one senior leader saying “I need to get back to dialing for dollars” and another stating that they “had to pressure more members to censure Al Greene for his despicable display of barbarism, shouting out the president, is there no decency anymore”
I hate that I genuinely can’t tell if this is satire or not. The quoted parts at least.
I was gonna put an /s on it but I thought it was more fun to leave it ambiguous.
The quotes are not real (except the “we won’t be held hostage by small dollar donors” is a paraphrasing of something that recently came out of some dnc think tank about what to do going forward)
Yea it was the “small dollar donors” part that threw me off.
Well done, you :)
Dude, I was so confused because I really wondered if theyf had capitulated that far backwards. The money part though, I started sniffing something funny.
They have. Just not as publicly as all this implies.
Fully had me in the first half
Also if you say this over in sh.it justworks politics you'll probably get banned, so this might just be early!
That's because satire is well and truly dead
Satire is alive and doing quite well. It has entirely usurped reality.
they'll get it.
Unlike the Republicans, the democrats have double digit numbers of people who will flip flop and cross the isle, even in a time like this.
Gee, what is the GOP offering for that Dem support?
Nothing that they're going to honor.
You know, I had a gut reaction to your post, "If it's in the law they have to honor it!"
But then I remembered what timeline we're in. The one where congress and the courts have abdicated themselves to the Executive Branch. The one where there is nothing to stop the Republicans in congress from making promises, putting them into the budget, Trump flatly denying it (aka Impoundment), and congress and the courts not pushing back.
It can 100% happen and we have the evidence and precedent now to prove it.
You know, I had a gut reaction to your post, “If it’s in the law they have to honor it!”
But then I remembered what timeline we’re in.
I've had to do this a lot. If I had a nickel for every time on Lemmy alone that I've had to argue with someone because they keep saying "Trump can't do that! There are laws against it!", refusing to understand that the very people responsible for enforcing those laws have been spending the past 6 weeks saying "Oh, yes. Yes he can."
Laws are irrelevant if there is nobody willing or able to enforce them.
democrats will help them.
They will cuz they suck. But they shouldn't.
Do to chump what the Repubs did to Obama. Go full Mitch McConnell. Stop everything you can. Help with absolutely nothing.
Shut the bitch down.
Use the billions FElon saved! You don't need funding.
Why should they?
Shut the bitch down!! We need to tank fast, clean house, and climb out!