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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced retaliatory tariffs after Donald Trump confirmed 25% tariffs on Canadian goods and 10% on energy, set to take effect at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday.

Trump justified the move by linking it to fentanyl smuggling concerns.

Trudeau called the tariffs "unjustified" and imposed 25% tariffs on $155 billion in U.S. goods, with $30 billion effective immediately and the rest in 21 days.

He warned of price hikes and job losses in the U.S., arguing the move violates Trump’s own trade agreement from his last term.

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[–] biofaust 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Today I watched both Trudeau and Sheinbaum's addresses.

I must say that Americans get even worse reputation everytime Trump and Vance talk even just because of the contrast with some of the best, most prepared speakers and I must say attractive individuals in politics today.

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[–] DarkFuture 99 points 1 day ago (2 children)

American here.

100% support you Canada. Keep it up.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

Ditto. Our only hope is for brave nations like yours to smack our leaders down.

My fear is that, the brain washed swarms will ignore the shortcomings and scapegoat something else.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

<3

We know it's not all of you.

[–] [email protected] 297 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

I like Cory Doctorow’s plan.

The reason Canada got tariff-free access to sell to the US in the first place? Canada agreed to enforce penalties for tampering with digital locks, following the premise of the Digital Milennium Copyright Act.

If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.

Doctorow advocating for this plan:

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Heck, make it legal to pirate all American media.

[–] Cort 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

A surprising amount of 'American' media is filmed and produced in Canada. ~~Toronto~~ Vancouver is like Hollywood North. This would probably be a footgun

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

It’d be nice if somewhere, other than Russia and China, was doing the important reverse engineering work.

[–] rottingleaf 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the US is going back on the deal, then Canada should too. Make it legal to jailbreak all US tech.

That should be considered with plans for further escalation varying from nothing to an embargo.

Though arguably piracy and jailbreaking are not so bad for said domination. Microsoft practically encouraged piracy in ex-USSR at some point. Piracy solves the availability problem, supports market share, leads to short-term loss in sales but long-term growth.

But that's Microsoft, while US government in general seems to think DMCA is for them what the Sound was for the Danish crown in middle ages.

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[–] Gammelfisch 15 points 1 day ago

Carry on Prime Minister Trudeau and create better trade deals with the EU, EEC and friendly Asian countries.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

Trudeau’s measured retaliation shows Canada won’t back down but prioritizes diplomacy over chaos.

🐱🐱🐱🐱

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 138 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump is such a vindictive moron. Whether he's a Russian asset or just a certifiably stupid, the end result is the same.

Good god I hate this fucking timeline. Fuck corporate America for backing this monster and fuck everyone who voted for him. Fuck the Democrats for collectively shrugging about all this too.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Whether he’s a Russian asset or just certifiably stupid

Most definitely both.

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[–] chiliedogg 15 points 1 day ago

Don't retaliate 1:1. Retaliate 5:1.

Burn the fucking bridge already.

[–] Placebonickname 102 points 2 days ago (29 children)

unfortunately, America has created a system where we can’t really do anything about the president at this point I am really wondering how long will the global world order allow Donald Trump to continue to screw things up for everybody else? Not just talking about economics with Mexico, Canada and China. But also the military situation in Ukraine, which directly impacts the European Union as well as NATO 

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 65 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The problem is that the global order is collapsing. That's what makes this possible for Trump and his companions. It's been going to shit for a while. We're entering a world where international law will be less important. Sadly.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I didn't want Trump to become president for many reasons, one of the main ones being I didn't want him to pull USA out of NATO, because it strengthens our shared enemies.

Things are actually going worse than I expected, which is really impressive.

[–] Placebonickname 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I know people are probably sick of hearing this, but I kind of figured this would be the worst possible case imaginable because the same thing happened to Hitler. They threw his ass in jail and then after a couple of months they let him walk and then when he regained power, he knew that he could never lose power again, and if he did, he’d never be able to accomplish his personal objectives. 

There’s something about history that we can learn from here. I don’t know why Trump was even allowed to run, but yeah, here we are. 

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 day ago (5 children)

We need to really turn the screws into the U.S. Along with applying tariffs, we also need to just outright stop delivery of critical materials they need. Full Stop.

I’m know this is just a sounding board, but honestly I’d love to see the cutting off of any and all essential raw materials they need. I’m sure they can source it elsewhere, but they most likely can’t get enough of it fast enough.

Cut off anything they need for energy and more importantly: agriculture.

People can live without power. Make their stomachs ache.

Trump is a diseased cunt who doesn’t understand what happens when things don’t go his own way. Let’s show him.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago

The Beaverton had as a headline a few weeks back along the lines of "Americans choose the most expensive way to figure out what they purchase from Canada" which I thought was appropriate.

[–] BassTurd 29 points 1 day ago

I said it before. Stop sending aluminum and steel and aerospace and military manufacturing would suffer immensely. That is 90%+ of all good made, metals have strict import requirements and certifications, and we couldn't just make our own on a whim.

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[–] Wabbitsmiles 57 points 1 day ago

Why doesn't trump just setup fentanyl production in the states? Seems like a easy fix for me /s

[–] Kimmy 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Excuse my ignorance but wouldn't that make things more expensive for Canadians as well?

:edit: thank you all for answering me. I totally understand now.

Fuck trump

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Yes. It's alright, I've managed to mostly eliminate American products. Anyone smart or at least patriotic has looked into it as well, since the madness began. It was kind of neat watching the US products just sit on the shelves while Canadian stuff emptied out.

To reiterate what all our politicians have been saying to US media, Trump is raising prices on Americans to hurt us, it's for no good reason, and we're forced to do the same on our side.

[–] Kaput 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

There is a reason, is just like this old Western movies. The wealth banq/ranch owner that rules the town, is diverting the local stream to dry up the pretty widow a farm. Saying you know you would be much better off marrying me. I would cherish you and add you worthless farm to my ranch. Only he knows the train line is about to be installed and would turn that little plot of land into very valuable real estate. Ducking the widow in the as every night is just bonus.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I am starting to understand how felon tRump bankrupted casinos

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tariffs on imports make the imports more expensive and push people to buy non-tariffed goods. This causes the exporting company to lose income from their exports

[–] Furbag 1 points 13 hours ago

Sort of. The economy is not as robust as consumers like to believe it is.

Say you're a manufacturer and you make Widgets, and an essential component for those is Greebels, you likely have a supply chain already set up to have those Greebels delivered to your factory. Well, if those Greebels are now subject to a 25% tariff, they become that much more expensive to import. In theory, this would cause you to look for alternative domestic suppliers of Greebels to avoid having to pay what is essentially a 25% tax just to get essential components for your otherwise domestic-made product, but there are a number of factors that might make that impossible. For example, you might be under exclusive contract for a number of years with the foreign supplier, or you might only use Greebels supplied from the foreign Gizmo Corporation in your Widgets because you based your design on using their proprietary components and you can't switch to a competitor without redesigning your product entirely or violating intellectual property laws.

Even if none of those unusual edge cases apply, you might still opt to order your Greebels from the Gizmo Corporation - perhaps they are still cheaper than a domestic alternative after calculating the price difference, especially considering the labor laws here are more strict than it in in places such as China or Bangaladesh where minimum wage laws are almost nonexistent. If that is the case, there may not be any real domestic alternative because they can't stay competitive in the global market by paying their workers a 1st world minimum wage. Finally, setting up your own factory for turning raw materials into Greebels to use in your Widgets is a prohibitively expensive venture that likely wouldn't cause you to turn a profit for many years and would still require you to source the raw materials which may not be available domestically.

The most likely/realistic outcome is having the Gizmo Corporation agree to send their product to be manufactured/assembled/stored in a factory/warehouse in another country that is not subject to the tariffs and then import it, which bypasses the tariff altogether without compromising the specific product you are used to ordering (so long as the rerouting doesn't end up costing more than the import tariff)

or

Your company will eat the cost of the import and raise the price of Widgets by 25% to compensate for the increased cost per unit.

There will probably be a tiny dip in the exporting company profits at a result of tariffs, but they're not going to have a significant enough drop in revenue to cause any kind of panic.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

Capitalist companies may lose income from lost sales, but they will be raising prices to match the tariff. Probably throw an extra 5-10% on top of that for greed, because they can blame it all on the tariff.

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