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AI Summary:

  • Utah is poised to ban fluoride in public water systems, pending the governor's signature.
  • The bill prohibits adding fluoride to public water and repeals previous related laws.
  • Federal health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has criticized fluoride, influencing the bill.
  • Studies on fluoride’s impact on children's IQ have mixed results, with some showing negative effects and others showing no harm.
  • Major public health groups support fluoridation for dental health benefits.
  • The anti-fluoridation movement has gained popularity post-Covid-19.
  • Similar legislation is proposed in Florida, emphasizing the importance of consent in public health measures.
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Want job security? Become a dentist

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Fluoride in the water didn't anyone's teeth. But your point remains valid I think

[–] Raiderkev 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] indomara 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Want to see what happens when you do this?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/children-youth/childrens-headline-indicators/contents/indicator-7

Notice the two states with the highest rates of dental decay are Queensland and Northern Territory?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_in_Australia

Yeah, those states didn't get flouride in their water until around 2012.

Such a coincidence...

It's also completely silly because many places have naturally fluoridated water!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but what about all the autism. Or mind controlling. Or whatever the hell it is that fluoride is evil for?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Makes you listen to pop music.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Uh, here in Oregon it's already been banned for a long time. This headline is sus.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

The difference is in verbiage. Oregon doesn't require it, but Oregon also doesn't ban it and leaves it up to municipalities. Utah is trying to actively force municipalities to not be allowed to use it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Ah makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't banned in Oregon. Many communities have simply decided not to do it. Hillsboro recently voted to stop fluoridating their water, for example.

This would be the first time an entire state has literally banned the practice.

And it's stupid. There are maps of the US that show which states have the lowest/highest rates of dental caries. The states with the lowest rates just happen to have mandatory water fluoridation, and the states with the lowest rates of fluoridation all have the worst dental health. Meanwhile there's zero evidence that drinking fluoridated water has negative health effects.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 hours ago

Ah gotcha. And yeah I agree it's dumb to not fluoridate our water but toothpaste companies need to be able to upcharge on extra fluoride toothpaste and dentists need work right? /s

[–] SpiceDealer 29 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh for fuck's sake, how many times does this bullshit have to be debunked?!

Here's a paper that puts this nonsense to rest.

And if that's too "elitist" for you here's not one but two Youtube videos.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

People are going to be whining about cavities, in fact people who went flouride free toothpaste and complained they got cavities and blamed in on the effectiveness of the toothpaste

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

To finally stop the conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

[–] cley_faye 6 points 10 hours ago

Sadly, this is unlikely to lead to the death of people, so it won't be reverted in a week, but have long lasting effects. I guess it's not a problem as long as there's a decent health infrastructure to hold up the increased issues, right?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 16 hours ago

RFK Jr. has criticized fluoride

Yeah see, that right there is the only thing you really need to see that the ban is a bad idea.

[–] [email protected] 160 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Dental issues increased in Calgary and they voted to put it back.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

This is the way. The idiots have been coddled for generations. They need to have the experience of their teeth rotting out for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

And what about the other 49% they dragged down with them? You've also just made everyone's dental insurance 10x more expensive. Thanks!

[–] indomara 3 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

For anyone in a state without fluoridated water, you can get fluoride drops to put in your/your children's water.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Why not just brush their teeth? I'm pretty sure fluoridated toothpaste is much easier to come by than fluoride drops.

[–] Bahnd 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Because adding fluoride to tap water provides measurable benifits regardless of socioeconomic status.

In addition, other countries where municpal water is not as developed, they will add fluoride to salts and other consumer products.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

We're comparing toothpaste to fluoride drops, not fluoridated tap water.

[–] Bahnd 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Because your logic is flawed coming that question. It insinuates that one is needed over the other. This is not a fair comparison because toothpaste and fluoride suppliments are purchased and flouridated tap water costs almost nothing to consumers of municipal water. All sources must be taken into account for public health programs like this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

We're not comparing with fluoridated tap water because that's not something you can control as an individual. At most, you can put pressure on your city to add it in. Until that happens, and even after that happens, you still need to put in work to care for your own teeth. It's very unhelpful to tell someone living in a city with unfluoridated tap water to just choose fluoridated tap water. They do not have that choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I grew up with well water and we didn’t have naturally occurring water.

Our doctor prescribed us a chewable tablet we took every night after dinner.

Didn’t get my first, and only, cavity until I was 35.

My ex-wife who grew up with me had a dad who was “they’re putting gay vaccines in our fluoride to turn our cavities to queers” type and they didn’t …. Cavity city.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 17 hours ago

If you needed one last excuse to get out of Utah, then let this be it.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Shit; the serial killer sympathizers, racist, cousin fuckers, are about to add this to the list

Sorry to all my brits, I know this hits home.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, you can have more cavities and still not eat rocks

[–] pyre 7 points 10 hours ago

you underestimate how fragile teeth can be

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago

I've seen this parks and rec episode

[–] [email protected] 93 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

next up (unless it happened first): no more data collection or research about statewide dental health

[–] Ghostalmedia 32 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Insurance companies will still collect it since they need to pay out for a lot of this shit. We’ll also be able to quantify this impact by looking at dental premiums and copays. They’ll eventually go up in states without fluoridated water.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

Good Guy Insurance.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago

DōTerra probably also behind this to an extent. Gotta find new ways to sell "essential" oils.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Utah poised to overtake UK as butt of bad teeth jokes.

[–] ByteJunk 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

EU countries don't add fluoride to the water supply. At least half of the US seems to have cognitive impairment, by the way they vote.

Maybe they're on to something?

/s

[–] 9bananas 6 points 10 hours ago

important to note about the "not adding Fluoride" bit: many countries have to remove fluoride from drinking water because there's too much of it...

[–] [email protected] 43 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (7 children)

Dentists in ~~Florida~~ Utah: yesssss thanks for the increased business!

[–] [email protected] 64 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The Utah dental association was strongly against it. Dentists already make good money and most of them actually care about their patients health.

Dental health is also strongly correlated with cardiovascular disease and other diseases.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah I'm in dental myself (another country), and when anti-fluoride patients come in, we generally sassily remark that we thank them for keeping us in business. Bit of dark humour to see the silver lining in things, I guess?

There have certainly been dental clinics going out of business in the last few years, something quite unheard of - unlike other 'new businesses', the success rate of opening a new dental clinic was normally guaranteed (unlike say a new cafe).

If the general population want to remove one of the best public health initiatives, then so be it. We'll make hay while the sun shines.

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[–] mean_bean279 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There’s Swig all over the place in Utah… it’s literally liquified sugar. The dentists in that state are going to have an absolutely stellar future as their customers increase.

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