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Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.

"I agree," he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying "it's time" for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.

The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration's "America First" agenda.

The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.

U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.

Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine "can forget" about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.

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[–] Furbag 17 points 2 hours ago

If the US leaves the United Nations, does that mean they lose their security council veto power even if they somehow rejoin later?

Seems like something the other former global superpower, Russia, would be very happy to see happen.

I fail to see how this advances America's interests whatsoever. Republicans are huffing glue again.

[–] Wispy2891 11 points 2 hours ago

Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.

[–] himmyguap 19 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This is not going to end well for Elon Musk.

[–] Sweetpeaches69 7 points 3 hours ago

I sincerely hope not.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago

FYI: even North Korea is a member of the UN!

[–] P1nkman 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I publicly support the unaliving of musk

[–] mohammed_alibi 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] P1nkman 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

But not into the sun. It takes more energy to launch something into the sun Vs just into space.

[–] porkloin 1 points 1 hour ago

Can we try to land him in his stupid fucking orbiting car or whatever

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Leaving NATO would cost the US over $100 billion in arms sales annually, so they won't do it. But to have and eat their cake they just don't need to honour article 5

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago

To be perfectly honest they should probably kick the US out of it

[–] finitebanjo 6 points 5 hours ago

Idk, Trump already tried it at the end of his last term. These people don't have the USA's best interests in mind.

[–] MapleEngineer 62 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

If the US leaves the UN it permanently gives up its seat in the Security Council and its veto.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 22 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Russia magically inherited the USSR's security council seat even though they are not the USSR. When the US collapses, which part gets their old seat? (I vote we give it to Canada personally)

[–] MapleEngineer 9 points 6 hours ago

Russia was always Russia. It was the seat of the USSR so it just stayed with Russia. If the US withdraws it gives up its seat. Canada would happily accept a permanent seat on the Security Council with veto.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

I imagine it would have to be another country with a large nuclear weapons stockpile. India comes to mind.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

FUCK THIS GUY SO HARD. I swear to god this lunatic needs to be stopped.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 hours ago

This lunatic is a danger for the world. He is an unelected unaccountable person with the power of the presidency. It’s terrifying.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago

Preferably a bullet

[–] Srh 113 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (3 children)

Name one time US veto power was used for good.

[–] finitebanjo 3 points 4 hours ago

Mostly it's just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn't even get the chance. Here's a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE

warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don't read it if you enjoy your sanity

Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven't been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general's takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.

Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.

Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.

Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.

Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.

Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.

Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.

Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama's then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn't find, assuming the Nicaraguan's to be co-conspirators.

Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.

[–] FenrirIII 4 points 7 hours ago

Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That's probably the only time it'd be justified

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Will no one rid us of this treasonous billionaire?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Which treasonous billionaire? There's dozens to choose from.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 6 points 8 hours ago

Will no one rid me of these meddlesome billionaires, comrade

[–] Lucky_777 84 points 16 hours ago (17 children)

There is a reason he travels with the little meat shield.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 13 hours ago (6 children)

I publicly support ejecting this unelected scumbag from our country.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

The USA have never been so weak and so alone. Seems like a good time to exit NATO

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[–] d00phy 18 points 12 hours ago

... which has cut significant amounts of government spending...

Has it, though? I mean, even its own over-inflated "receipts" are barely a microscopic percentage of a drop of the overall budget.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.

claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration

Checks out.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

To once again prove how much of an utter dumbfuck both of these guys are.

The United States (along with UK) were the first two members of NATO. Making them the founders, so the United States is a founder. If Trump cared about there being an "America First", this should have been no concern of him because it was after-all part of an American idea.

The United States (along with other countries) was the original founding member that started the United Nations. If Trump cared about there again being an "America First" agenda, this also should never have been a concern since this was an American idea.

America apparently is not a priority when you consider these facts. It's more like "Trump First" than "America First".

[–] olympicyes 15 points 12 hours ago

America First was the slogan of the isolationist/anti-interventionist/pro-Hitler forces of the US in the 1930’s and the 1940’s. History never repeats itself, but it rhymes. I think many Americans are not aware that there is a substantial segment of the population that agrees with Hitler’s original thesis and just feel that he executed the war poorly. The Nazi rhetoric and holocaust denials are very deliberate and the destruction of the liberal world order that formed in the aftermath of World War II is the ultimate goal. I’ve strongly felt that the Ukraine war was the single most important issue in the 2024 election and the common goal of destroying the western led world order is what the project 2025 team, Trump, Putin, and Tucker Carlson all have in common.

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