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Diplomacy dies on live TV as Trump and Vance gang up to bully Ukraine leader
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this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2025
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I don't know what it can be, but every ounce of me hates both of these men. I don't even want to call them men. I can't think of a possible way that they could suffer and feel the emotion of helplessness and sorrow. Whatever would happen, I don't think they'd care. They literally wouldn't care - because they have the mindset that they are invincible and can have whatever they want.
There can be absolutely zero doubt that Trump is a Russian stooge
I think "tried to bully Zelensky" would have been a little more accurate. Of course Trump and Vance failed at that too. All they're good at is manipulating the most stupid people on the planet. If I was morally depraved, I bet I could do it pretty easily too.
remember you guys. peace day 1! trump never lies
This is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've seen. We all are used the the bar getting lower and lower but lordy it just accelerated.
I'm ready to protest this shit. Tell me when and where to show up, my local big city or state capital. This is some bullshit. Trump and Vance are egotistical dickheads. Ukraine are our allies! Imagine George Washington doing this with Marquis de Lafayette, or FDR with Churchill!! Unspeakable!
Ukraine is a US ally. Trump is a Russian ally. Of course he would attack his adversary.
Bro have you been in a coma? The US is now taking the side of Russia, North Korea, Iran and China. Our alliances with the free west are dead.
Just show up, invite others, everyone is waiting for someone else to do something (present company included).
Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?
The USA has shown over and over, it's the only thing we take seriously. We don't give a fuck until you have nukes. We don't care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just "how can we take advantage of you?"
Also .. World, I understand you're not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.
Unfortunately Ukraine was part of the Budapest Memorandum. With this they gave up their nuclear armament in an agreement that "prohibited Russia, the United States, the United Kingdom and France from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations."
So they gave up their nukes with the agreement that they would be safe from these 4 groups. However that didn't do shit for them, thus a huge reason why any SeasFire would have to have some big security backing. As Russia has ignored all prior agreements.
Exactly why the lesson any other non-nuclear armed country should learn is to get the nukes
As an American,
What you say feels right, and it is breaking my heart
Prof. John Mearshmeyer have been talking about great power's expansionism and it's relation to nuclear armament since at least 2015.
It's too hard. Yeah, we understand the required specs, but the precision machines and rare ores are internationally monitored. Tom Clancy's The Sum of All Fears was eye opening as to what the terrorists had to go through to make a single bomb. And it fizzled into a "normal" atom bomb.
And I'm not even talking about the experts involved, a physics degree ain't gonna get it. The precision machining for the tooling alone is mind blowing, then you gotta fab the actual parts. Again, you're not getting people like that in a room with a LinkedIn ad, and it would be noticed, very noticed, if you tried.
Now if you want to skip 3-stage hydrogen bombs and just roll an atom bomb, still tough, but much more doable.
tl;dr: The nuclear powers would come down on you like a ton of bricks if a country even tried starting a program. See: Iran.
See Pakistan.
Shit can work out. Russia has plenty of peeps looking for seedy revenue streams
As much as this makes me hate Donald Trump more than I already did, which was already more than I hate almost anyone, the really horrific thing is that a decent fraction of Americans will look at this and think Trump made the right decision, or at least a brave, or reasonable, decision.
True, but I don't think it matters any more what they think. They are a cult, and we cannot salvage this situation by swaying them. We have to act accordingly. They just need to be mowed down if they get in the way.
I‘m trying to think of ways other than a civil war to salvage this situation but I’m coming up blank. Maybe someone more optimistic than me can chime in.
There is no reason to brainstorm optimistic outcomes. We can see what they are doing. It's an authoritarian takeover, they are allies with Russia, and they are parroting all of the same things about Canada, that Putin was saying about Ukraine. Like there is no reason not to believe them. They are telling us exactly what the plan is. There has to be a civil war, or we are fucked. Canada should be helping the real Americans win their civil war. It's in our interest to go down there and burn down the white house again.
I agree and it probably truly is the only option going forward. Let’s hope the left is sufficiently armed or you guys will live in a real life enactment of Handmaids Tale soon.
"Peace deal" means surrender now, don't join NATO, and get invaded again in a few years.
TBH idk how Zelenskyy thought things would go any differently.
I doubt he thought it would go differently. But he did an amazing job showing the world how utterly depraved Trump and Vance are. There can be no question now that they are Putin stooges. The United States lost the cold war, Putin won without firing a single bullet. It is out in the open.
He probably fired quite a few bullets, but I get you.
So word is that the more the US mistreats Z, the more the European people like him, and want to support him. So this was probably a great outcome fir them. The deal offered was very one sided. Had Z just not taken it, people would blame him. But now, everyone knows who to blame.
I understand you mean Zelenskyy, but you are using Russian dog whistles, by referring to him as Z. Z = the Russian version of calling people Nazis because they opposed Putin.
Tagged, and watching to see who you are. Especially with that extremely sus UN.
Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.
Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.
Does that link lead to a "Server error" for anyone else?
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The straight to not knee this fatfuck retards head in while sitting so close to him must be immense.
It's been a while since I've gone through a whole day being proud of my US citizenship. Today was one of the most shameful.
Honestly. I've never been more ashamed. I wish I could help end this shit, ya know?
Organize against Trump. Donate to the Ukrainian military. Take the streets.
"Ohhh I’m so ashamed, but whatever can we do??" I’m sick of hearing it.
This is disgraceful and would've never happen in the old days. On the other hand, I even appreciate the public show of arguing before plainly betraying an ally. Like what we did with Gaddafi or Hussein. That was some cold -blooded bully shit.
Same. What an awful day to be a sane American.
Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”
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They can't even look him in the eye. They know he's telling the truth and they're full of shit.
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