I'm curious what the terms are going to be to get them back. Him just bloating the salaries b/c he's a moron would be on point for him.
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The shortage is his own damn fault. I wouldn’t want to work any government job right now.
Fucking clown show
Pay more wages, the way of a free market is supply and demand
There's no such thing as a labor shortage.
What a joke…
Time to renegotiate salary!
time to sing l'international!!
Yes, the ask is treating ATCs as a collective; they should do some collective bargaining.
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"There is a shortage"
ah damn i love that language. reminds me of the boss that abused my mother back when she was still in employment. "there is a shortage, you need to come over on your day off, otherwise we can't handle the workload". how about employing more people? no? maybe because you can't find another fool who will do the work with these bad working conditions?
There has been a shortage for a decade, and the post is literally Musk trying to hire early retirees to fill staffing shortages.
There's no such thing as a labor shortage, especially if it's been long enough to train more ATCs. If the pay is high enough, then people will come out of the woodwork.
The work is difficult, and the expectations and stress are high. They 100% need to pay better, but the pool of qualified candidates is already fairly small.
Sounds like they need to increase pay and reduce the number of hours worked while still getting a salary and benfits to entice more people to the position and make the stress more bearable for those they can get to fill the position. It's not a matter of how many people are qualified it's a matter of how many people want to make the tradeoffs to work there and be upskilled to meet the requirements. If your deal is not enticing enough, you need to restructure how the position works in order to entice more people for the position.
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Yet it's larger than the number of people required.
It’s also difficult to qualify for. As I recall the civilian route to become an ATC is at least six months of full time training (also - usually you need to have already had some work experience/college background) and the test has at least a 50% failure rate.
You need a college degree only to be qualified, but you are only put into groups 2 or 4. Veterans and people who do to college for atc or aviation safety go to groups 1 or 3. That’s just to then do the minimum 6months of atc training. They also just started direct hiring from colleges with approved programs.
I got to tour the FAA training facility and it’s kind of difficult to convey how intense that atmosphere and the training seemed to be in text. Just walking past the guys eating lunch felt stressful.
I got to do a simulation where they even gave me a script with timing and fucked it up.
I think they give you a stipend to live on when you’re in training at least. It would really suck to fail though.
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RESIST!
Bloody hell!
How about you just increase the pay and benefits you’re offering? if you love the efficiencies of the free market so much why don’t you fucking act like it
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US law mandates retirement at 56 for Air Traffic Controllers due to the high stress and fast-paced multi-tasking nature of the job
It's considered one of the most mentally challenging jobs there are.
We should have this same law for politicians.
Interesting.
The EU & UK would consider that age discrimination and illegal. You can't be forced to retire at a given age.
Strange that America uses it - especially given the age you allow your presidents to be.
Age discrimination is illegal in the US for almost every job, there are a handful of exceptions.
It would be in America as well, except ATC is classified as a secure role like the military or police so they get away with stuff like this.
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- Claim a federal agency is inefficient
- Fire employees and defund agency
- Agency performs worse than before
- Point finger at the agency showing how it is incompetent
- Move to privatize agency
- $$$$$$$
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