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Elon Musk called on retired air traffic controllers to return to work, citing a shortage amid heightened scrutiny of the FAA under Trump's second term.

With DOT Secretary Sean Duffy's support, Musk's DOGE attempts to "upgrade" aviation systems despite recent FAA job cuts.

The AP reports fired employees included radar and navigational aid maintenance personnel, though Duffy insisted no "critical safety personnel" were terminated.

Musk's appeal comes amid increased public concern over recent aviation incidents, though experts consider the uptick an anomaly.

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[–] [email protected] 227 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Well if it isn't the consequences of his own actions.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek 106 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fucked around ✅

Found out 👈

[–] Sterile_Technique 70 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not really, tbh. He's pretty clearly just doing as much damage as he possibly can. This whole "Oooh whoopsie, we did a bad, does anyone want their job back?" shit is pure show to give himself some plausible deniability to keep the guillotines at bay.

If you look at what's happening through the lens of his goal being malice, and ignore the "ooooops!" pony show, what you see is a man who's hamstrung an entire nation with literally zero consequences.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

In less than a month too.

Feels like we need no confidence/snap elections or some shot to deal with this.

But really we needed better protections from dictators and better under-represented vote counting long ago and now we have to fix shit the hard way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It’s called impeachment and could happen at any time. Every single Republican is complicit with the Nazi regime.

[–] Cenzorrll 2 points 6 hours ago

Every single Republican is complicit with the Nazi regime.

That's the problem. Half of our representatives are Nazis. How is an impeachment going to go anywhere?

[–] Sterile_Technique 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

or some shot to deal with this.

I mean...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Blessed autocorrect.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

There's also the "fire everyone, then hire them back at a reduced salary while leaning on the fact that they care about preventing deaths enough to take the deal" aspect.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wonder if he regrets this one though. If it becomes dangerous to fly he’d have to travel on the ground like a peasant

[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Are malignant narcissists like him capable of the critical self-reflection required to regret things?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

From my experience, no I don’t think so

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He'd sooner take the oligarch route and privatize the FAA, fill it with his own loyalists, then give his flights priority wherever he goes, including whatever private aviation business (e.g. FedEx clone) he wants to push.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

ATC training takes a long time, he assumes it can be done by anyone, it cant.

[–] NJSpradlin 2 points 1 day ago

Gotta fly the old fashioned way, VFR.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly, this one's not even completely his own fault. Standard bureaucratic ossification has been fucking up ATC staffing for years now. The pay is low, the qualifications are steep, and the responsibility and stress is insane. Why would someone do that? And so, people don't. And, on top of them, management from both the business and political sides simply doesn't give a fuck about safety or morale.

The levels of traffic were just recently increased in that DC airspace where the plane hit the helicopter, and at the time, a bunch of qualified people were trying to raise the alarm that some bad shit was going to happen if they stuffed more aircraft into an already overcrowded area. No one in a position to make any of the decisions cared, and they did it anyway. That all happened before Trump and Elmo came into the picture.

Of course, it is true that their own actions have produced some additional consequences now. They've fired a bunch more people and demotivated all the existing or prospective ones pretty much as much as it is possible to do. And, as much as the existing systems are aging and in need of some modernization, it's absolutely guaranteed that whatever Musk does to "improve" them will make them even worse. All I'm saying is that he didn't entirely create the bad situation he is now about to amplify tenfold.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

yea you cant even apply past 30, only under certain exceptions, like being a military traffic controller. and they dq like the military does too. if they dint really care about the train derailments they wouldnt care about the air traffic. of course reagan made sure there are less ATC, when he fired them all, it just scared people into not becoming one over time.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

100%. There was a shortage of traffic controllers before the firings even began, this only exacerbated a bad situation.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago

Someone at all familiar with the status of ATC staffing who isn't a complete idiot would clearly not have exacerbated this situation.

I'm a developer - I'd even classify myself as pretty far to the "move fast and break things" end of the spectrum. But I'm a senior developer because I ask questions and understand things and write tests to confirm that understanding and prove a new system correct before fucking breaking them. Once that's done I've totally got a sledgehammer in hand and am wildly swinging it around to rebuild it cleaner but, critically, we do this in a development environment.

This fucker is hot fixing production without a fucking clue how anything works. He's in a little fucking bubble where the only opinions allowed in are "Elon is a genius" and he's drinking the fucking Kool-aid. I've seen executives like that and the only correct response is to jump fucking ship.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 day ago

IIRC the FAA layoffs did not include air traffic controllers, so I don't think that he was involved with that.