The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, but the seed rarely grows near the rind.
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You're not wrong about seeds. The saying doesn't mention, refer to, imply anything about, or have anything to do with seeds, though.
Ummm, it says the Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, not the seeds don't fall far from the tree.
Who thinks it's supposed to be a good saying? It's pretty much saying that person is a dick because they were raised by dicks.
Yeah but the phrase refers to children who were raised by the parents, not the ones who got eaten by large birds and shat out in distant lands, which of course happens far more often than we'd like to think.
Lol, and here I am watching The Birds.
I wonder if The Birds was the first horror story based on what would happen if ordinary things suddenly turned crazy and evil.
Apparently, the first horror movie was made in 1896, so I'm guessing probably not. Just cracked me up when I read your comment while watching a freaking movie about birds gone mad. You have a special way with words, lol.
plants grown from seed don't bear the same fruit
Temperate-zone seed fruit like apples and pears rarely look, taste, and feel like their genetic parents.
Temperate-zone stone fruit, on the other hand - think peaches, apricots, cherries, etc. - are quite different. You plant one of those seeds, and it will bear fruit that is (usually) indistinguishable from the parent tree that the seed came from.
Now, Apple and pear trees are grafted for both cloning of the fruiting section as well as good rootstock. But most stone fruit grafting has cloning only as a secondary consideration - they are grafted mostly to be joined onto well-proven, high-quality rootstock that can produce lots of sap and confer resistance to certain diseases.
Source: am orchardist.
Temperate-zone seed fruit like apples and pears rarely look, taste, and feel like their genetic parents.
And this is why there are, like, 431,663 different varieties of apples? Or is it all selective cultivation?
Honeycrisp is the state apple here, for which I'm grateful because it's my favorite apple, so you can always get it. But I swear, when we go to the arboretum Apple House, the little market run by The Arb, there are bins of 20 different kinds of apples and it's a different 20 every year. Find a new apple you like? Hah! Joke's on you, you'll never come across it again in the rest of your life.
Every variety of apples is a clone taken from a cutting that eventually traces back to the original tree of that variety. These cuttings are grafted onto rootstock which has been bred separately for its own characteristics (root mass size, upper biomass size).
Yeah, it’s like taking Adam’s rib to make Eve, but only the upper body. The lower body comes from Steve!
Arkansas black is one of my favorites, because it dries/dehydrates so very, very well. It tastes like apple-flavored candy when you're done with it.
I haven't been able to find it aside from once, three years ago. :(
Apples are such great fruit. They might seem a little boring, but they keep well, and there are so many varieties. Almost the perfect fruit.
Wow, I always assumed all fruits and vegetables don’t grow exactly the same as the fruit/vegetable the seed came from.
Yep, seems to me to hold up in the metaphorical sense as well.
Not arguing against the genetically inherited traits, even beyond the purely aesthetic/structural ones, like inclinations toward certain ways of processing information, nor do I ignore the fact that they're not 100% heritable. But even as such, nurture (which I view from the belief that the entire village shapes the person) can generate a completely divergent personality, and the breadth of development is directly proportional to the breadth of exposure samples (at least to my mind).
And let's not neglect the more practical similarities as well! Different types of flora require differently sized "privacy bubbles," areas of earth reserved exclusively for their individual sustenance, otherwise they'd essentially choke each other out. We can see something very similar in the development of children who are too closely bound to their family through mechanisms of excessive control, their potential ends up being smothered.
Edit: disclaimer, I'm working with 12th grade Biology and a Bachelor's in Theatre Acting as my sociology background, so I actually expect to have botched something up in what I said. Salt is advised.
Yeah, that was the general point I was trying to gesture to without being too hamfisted about it; people can escape crappy situations and generational trauma with some outside help, either on the small, personal level or the larger structural level
Apples are so fascinating! There is a fun section of this documentary on them: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1421383/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk